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Sidelock
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I think Researcher got it. an Aubrey/Meriden
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If you guys got that ID right from that old picture, that was amazing! You have to have 'wasted' a lot of your life looking at guns to have picked up on what that gun was...Geo
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Its about as much fun trying to ID the hawk as the gun. Looks like a redtail to me too. By the way, a Red Tailed Hawk ain't an accipiter, its a buteo (looked it up)...Geo
What kind'a tree you reckon that is in the picture???
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Is it a boy hawk or a girl hawk?
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Is it a boy hawk or a girl hawk? Sexual dimorphism in the Red-Tailed Hawk (aside from the obvious, which ain't visible in the picture) is mostly a matter of size, with the girls being bigger. That one looks pretty big to me...Geo
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So George, from your hypothesis, indeed 'Size does matter' at least Hawk-wise. Like trying to "sex" Canada geese in flight, as the late George Grinnell once said, when asked about trying to only shoot the male birds, to preserve the female brood stock-"How do you tell the males from the females in a flock of honkers coming into your decoys in November?" "Well, you can't," he replied, "only they can, and if they believe in Ladies First, then so be it!" Mr. Grinnell also once said the best words of gunners wisdom re: proper leads for shooting waterfowl- "Lead 'em- if you still ain't hittin' 'em, lead 'em more, and if that don't work, then lead 'em a Hellufa lot more!"
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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Screw the Greenpeacers and the PETA *&^holes there Ellen- I've got no use for them, anymore than a lifetime free subscription to Martha Stewart's Jailhouse Decor memories magazine-- BUT, to know and defeat your enemy, as Patton and Frederick The Great once taught us, first you must KNOW HIM- his camoflauge, his movements, what makes him or her "Tick"-- I see the gentleman redid the foto to delete the deceased Hawk- judging with the 20-20 Hindsight, that might have been the best move in the first place, and the shotgun shown in a better close up shot for ID purposes herein--
I'll shoot on sight ANy feral cat, raccoon, possum, fox, skunk or other four footed predator (except a porcupine) I encounter, and I have put many into the ground with either rifle or shotgun. Three of the private preserves where I hunt birds in my area have me and son-in-law on "coyote death watch" and from mid-Jan through march on Private lands, we will usually kill 15 or more of those maurading bastards- keeping Martha's pet Pomerinian safe from being snatched outta a back yard by a hungry 'yote. But I will never shoot or molest or harrass any hawk or Airborne feather sentinel of death- I love to watch them in flight- soaring, we are brother hunters, and the Olde Days lords and noblemen hunted with Hawks they had trained- that to me is Death under control as much as a jet jockey nailing a NVA MIG with his F-16- a think of beauty--to each his own, but a Happy Holidays to you and yourn!!
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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I think all Birds of Prey were protected I believe in the late sixties by the Federal Wildlife Bureau. The hawk is like someone already stated, an immature Red Tail, the tree looks like an Ash. The gun is not an "elsie", and I will go along with Researcher.
All Birds of Prey the female is larger and prettier than the male.
Run with the Fox, Nobleman never hunted with hawks, they were for servants. The highest in nobility used a Gyrfalcon, next a Peregrine, and so on down the line.
Last edited by JDW; 12/14/09 04:53 PM.
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Fox, better yet an early Merry Christmas to you and yours. I don't think the fella would have ignited a 1 cent or 5 cent(what ever the cost circa WWI) for anything but protection or food. Anyway I don't see any pinnates, so with the leaves in the top left corner of the pic I'd say the tree is a white oak or similar oak.
Kind Regards,
Raimey rse
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For the love of God, leave the man alone. Rather than congratulate him on having a priceless piece we would all treasure if it were OUR grandfather, you keep harping on a dead bird that was legal game at the time.
Walnut Bird - thank you for sharing.
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