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Got back from a trip to PA with a very nice SxS that I can't seem to identify. The maker name is William Atkinson, marked as "Wm Atkinson" on the side plate. The rib states "Remodeled by William Ford" and gives a Birmingham address. It has some beautiful engraving and - barring some dings and dents from the years it has been on this earth - was at one time a very nice looking piece with good checkering and classic lines.
If anyone can shed some light, I would be much obliged. It has a serious flaw that needs attention and I really need to figure out where it should go and how much I would be prepared to spend on it setting it to rights. Thanks in advance for any help.

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== Atkinson ==
William Atkinson was the son of Joseph Atkinson of Lancaser. He was born in 1851.

By 1871 William had joined his father in the business in Lancaster, but in about 1874 he opened his own business at 52 Stricklandgate, Kendal, Westmoreland; in about 1878 this moved to 8 All Hallows Lane. There may have been a branch of the firm in Preston.

In 1874 William and his wife (Eleanor b. 1850) had a son, Joseph Harvey Atkinson, and in 1876 another, Arthur Falder Atkinson (both born in Kendal), they both worked in the business as gunmaker's assistants, there were also had two daughters born in Kendal, Edith (b.1873) and Maud (b.1878) who appear to have worked in the business.

In 1881 Joseph Atkinson retired and William took over the business in Lancaster re-naming it William Atkinson.

In about 1885 the firm moved to 20 Market Street, between 1890 and 1901 they took over the adjoining premises at 18 Market Street.

Between 1890 and 1894 the business in Kendal moved to 58 Highgate.

Joseph Atkinson died in the late 1890s, and in 1900 the firm Lancaster business was re-named William Atkinson & Sons. By this time the firm had a substantial trade in bicycles.

In about 1901 a branch was opened at 11 Skipton Street, Morecambe, Lancashire. This was probably run by one of the sons, it appears to have closed in about 1905. Between 1901 and 1905 the Kendal business became known as Atkinson & Griffin, it appears to have ceased trading in 1925.

Between about 1905 and 1909 the firm in Lancaster occupied premises in North Road.

In about 1935 the firm moved to 26 Market Street, Lancaster, but the Lancaster business appears to have closed in 1940.

In 1955 Thomas Atkinson & Sons was recorded at 19a Stricklandgate, Kendal. Thomas Atkinson was certainly related, pehaps only distantly. The firm appears to have closed in about 1985.


== Ford ==
It is not known when or where William Ford established his business. He came to prominence in 1875 and 1879 as a barrel maker when he won awards at the "Field" gun trials (he bored barrels for W W Greener in 1875 and Lincoln Jeffries in 1879).

There are reports that the firm occupied premises at 14 Whittall Street in about 1879, but this has not been confirmed.

Reportedly, it was in 1883 that William Ford introduced his "Eclipse" light weight shotgun (some say this was introduced in 1887 and this date may be correct). This gun weighed 4lbs and used 1oz of shot (some say it weighed 5lbs).

In 1884 the firm was recorded at 4a (or 4 1/2) Weaman Row, St Mary's, Birmingham. In 1885 they moved to the "Eclipse Works", 23 Loveday Street. In 1885 the firm widened their sphere of activities into the manufacture of barrelled actions.

In 1887 the firm was granted patent No. 8841 for a cocking and ejector mechanism, this was followed by two further patents for similar mechanisms in 1888 (Nos. 2622 and 9348). This was when they commenced trading as gunmakers, selling retail as well as to the trade.

In 1889 the firm moved to 15 St Mary's Row, which they also called the Eclipse Gun Works. In about 1900 a company named Birmingham Gun & Cycle Co occupied part of 15 St Mary's Row, this may have been formed by William Ford to use spare capacity in his gun manufacturing business, it appears to have been replaced in about 1920 by Birmingham Gun Co. From 1906, workshops at the back of 15 St Mary's Row were occupied by Charles Chambers who did work for William Ford, an association that was to last until after the Second World War.

In 1890 William Ford patented his Try-Gun, the first of its kind. By this time the firm had opened shooting grounds at Small Heath in Birmingham and at Clayton in Manchester, and advertised their proficiency in gun fitting.

In 1898 the firm moved to 4 Price Street but they retained the 15 St Mary's Row premises. The Price Street premises appear to have been used up to 1948 amongst other things, for cartridge manufacture, they were retained until 1953.

In 1909 William Ford died and his son, A F Ford took over the business.

A F Ford died in 1946.

Reportedly, the firm changed it's name to William Ford & Co but this has not been confirmed.

In 1951 the firm moved it's principal office back to 15 St Mary's Row.

In 1953 the firm amalgamated with James Carr & Sons, and in 1954 they became a limited company, William Ford Ltd, but James Carr & Sons appears to have continued trading under their own name. In 1955 William Ford Ltd moved to Carr's premises at 10 & 11 St Mary's Row. These premises were also occupied by Thomas Yates, William Woodward and Henry Morris.

In 1964 re-development of St Mary's Row caused a move to 96 Potters Hill, Aston, Birmingham. A further move in 1972 to 352 Moseley Road was caused by development.

In February 1991 the company, then managed by Alan Thornton who wanted to retire, was taken over by Bailons Gunmakers Ltd which was owned by Sir Malcolm Guthrie Bt. Both firms closed in 1993.

B J Horton Corcoran was employed by the firm when Alan Thornton managed it, he went on to buy the firm of Daniel Fraser and establish a business under the name of B J Horton in Cromarty, Scotland.

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Pete, thanks for all the information! That's a lot to digest. I know there were a lot of makers back around the turn of the century in English cities, is there anything there that makes Atkinson and his shop special in all this? Any mention that his guns had a following or won awards? Did Ford's choice of working with the Atkinson firm mean anything in terms of status? In sorting out the where and when, I can come up with who might be able to do the work, now I just need to figure out if it would be worthwhile to have it done - some parts need fabrication for example - such as one of the ejectors.

Thanks again, a lot more than I have found to date, most of which was very fragmented - and with no mention of Lancaster. That's a great starting point in and of itself.

Jim


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