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Walking thru Wallyworld today, came across both Winchester and Remington light 12 gauge target loads. Both were 1 1/8 oz loads. Curious if anyone has reports on how well they work and are they appropriate for an older double ala a Fox Sterlingworth or a Parker VH etc.



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I shoot them in my Fox AE.


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No idea about pressure. I buy them for my daughter to use for trap, and they've worked good for her. Recoil is no problem for her even after 200 rounds.

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Win and Rem have a bunch of different "lite" loads. I'm not at home now, but I have on my computer there a pressure test of one of the Win lite loads (don't remember which one). Will find and try to post it later this week.

Lots of guys like the Win Super-X standard field load for old guns. 12 and 16 gauge are both 1 oz loads, and 20 is 7/8 oz. I use them in my Parkers, Fox, and LC Smiths. They also make these shells with 1-1/4 oz in 12 and 1-1/8 oz in 16, but I don't use those in the old guns. Read the fine print on the box because the preferred version of the Super-X is the one manufactured in Australia. They are much softer shooting than the typical Rem and Fed field loads.

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Actual pressure testing for comparison:

3 Dr. Eq. 1 1/8 oz.
Winchester Trap Load
1,202 fps 9,600 psi

AA Xtra-Lite 1 oz WAAL12
1189 fps 8000 psi

AA 'Low noise Low recoil' 15/16 oz
980 fps 6,200 psi

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Get the Win AA Low Noise/Low Recoil 26 gram loads. Low pressure and very low recoil; friendly to your gun's old stock and your shoulder too.
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Originally Posted By: Drew Hause
Actual pressure testing for comparison:

3 Dr. Eq. 1 1/8 oz.
Winchester Trap Load
1,202 fps 9,600 psi

AA Xtra-Lite 1 oz WAAL12
1189 fps 8000 psi

AA 'Low noise Low recoil' 15/16 oz
980 fps 6,200 psi



Drew,

I'd like to save and reference that info. Did you submit those loads yourself?


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Mike: I failed to save the original reference, but the testing was performed by Armbrust.

tut: more low pressure/low recoil load sources are listed here http://www.lcsmith.org/faq/loadsuse.html

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You ought to be safe in a vintage 12 in good condition with the 8,000 psi load. I'd avoid the low noise/low recoil loads in cold weather. I've heard a number of them "poof".

The beauty of 12ga is that you can work up 7/8 oz reloads that are really easy on the shoulder and the gun, but absolutely crush targets. Pressure around 6,000 psi, velocity still in the neighborhood of 1200 fps.

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As I recall these were 2 3/4 Dram loads and 1 1/8 oz of shot for both the Winchester and Remington. They also had the 26 Gram loads as well (Winchester). Wallyworld price for all of them was $7.95 per box. This was a ultra dinky size walmart. Carried no guns and virtually no shells. However, these did catch my attention. PS. I haven't reloaded in years, but I guess it's time to fire up the old MEC. I'd like to make some low pressure 1 1/4 oz loads for the old girl for those wild flushing pheasants in Kansas who get up at 25 yards and quickly head in the other direction.


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