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one of the posters over there was recommending 3/4 oz. of #9 shot, pushed at 1500 fps, as the ultimate turkey-killing load, bar none. #9 shot for turkey....I'd agree he is "Hallucinating".
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The more velocity the less of a lead you need for wing shooting. If a bird is crossing and going away at a forty-five degree angle and flying at thirty mph, how much further would someone need to lead it with a 1200 fps load than a 1350 fps load if they were going to kill it at 30 yards?
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slow load + less leade = [subtract 1 pound of gun weight]
works for me.
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The problem is that Factory loads are getting faster and faster all the time. The faster hits harder and kills longer myth is just another reason to reload. You can only kill it if you hit well and most shooters can not hit a flying garbage can lid at 40 yards. Heck most shooters will be ten yards off on their best guess of what is 40 yards. So I do not care how fast their shot is traveling unless it is faster than the speed of light they will not hit a bull in the butt at 40 yards with 1500 or even 1700 fps. Factory shells are appealing to uneducated shooter who blames the arrow and bow instead of the hunter for his failures. First this was with steel and now with lead shot shells. Both shed velocity down range so fast that the hyper loads become almost exactly the same after 30 yards.
1150 to 1200 fps with larger shot has killed more ducks for me than "faster" shells will ever kill for me. Even if I keep shooting for the next 50 years. It is the shooter not the arrow.
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my bet is the slower one, the fast one is only more dangerous to the shoulder and face of the shooter, the doves wont care and the patterns will be better on the slow load. I was surprised to find on that day the faster loads folded them up better. Not scientific by any means.
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Speed kills too....
Just the mere mention of it has shrank a turkey to the size of a dove in less than one page.
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Speed kills too....
Just the mere mention of it has shrank a turkey to the size of a dove in less than one page. What are you talking about? 
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As an old man I don't know why consumers continue to get sucked into this bigger-and-faster-and-better nonsense. The old loads and calibers are still with us because they worked well, just as Mr. Piper's old Cub wings are still the best for their mission.
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Little round balls are ballistically very inefficient. The faster they goes, the quicker they slows, & particularly as they exceed the speed of sound, where drag increases way out of proportion to their increase in velocity. Comparing just #8 & #9 at normal Skeet velocity (1200fps) then the #8, arrives at 40yds with 5½% more velocity (660fps vs 625fps) & due to their heavier weight carry 60% more energy (1.04FtLb vs .65FtLb).
Bumping #9's up to ridiculus velocities in an attempt to increase their puny killing power is somewhat akin to P*****G into the Wind. The low velocity principal was based upon these "Facts". Start a pellet at just under Mach 1 & make it large enough for desired energy at anticipated range. Even a #6 for instance can be started at only 1135fps & arrive at 40yds doing 695Fps with an accompaning energy of 2.08FtLbs. You could attempt to speed up #9's until they melted from the heat of air friction & never arrive at that power level.
Last edited by 2-piper; 06/16/09 08:49 AM.
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Speed kills too....
Just the mere mention of it has shrank a turkey to the size of a dove in less than one page. Our Turkeys are stunted little things in Texas.
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