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Lagopus.....you need to read the history and understand what you're talking about.....Annie Oakley won more than 25 sanctioned shooting competitions with rifles and shotguns (against all the world competitors), BEFORE she ever went to the Continent with Cody and the Wild West show.......wherever she went, folks GAVE her guns for advertising......BUT she always used the Marlin's and LC's in her show routine......you know, the farmer guns.....plain Jane types......on the Continent she would shoot cigarettes and apples from the heads of statesmen.......on this side she used her dog with an apple on it's head......or her husband with a cigarette in his mouth.......

Bottom line is, IT IS the shooter, not the gun which wins in the end.......gun 10%----shooter 90%.........

Like the WWII North American P-51 Mustang....American Airframe, British Engine..........WON THE WAR..........just different styles and habits.........put them together and good things happen.....

Best Regards,

I don’t own D grade Foxes, A grade Parkers or Purdeys. In another venue, I would tell you a story about an elephant and a mouse. It relates to the ownership of exclusive possessions making up for other shortcomings. I own Sterlingworths Trojans, basic Levefers, basic Birmingham guns and other similar guns. I shoot them all and I don’t see any real difference in quality. I have high regards for both.

I grew up in High Point, North Carolina and one of the things I learned as a boy is that, if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything. I will say that, the way I grew up, we considered anyone who told us how much better it was where he was from, or how much better his gun, dog, or car was, as a jerk and we simply wrote him off as such.

Mr. Haddock is a writer and I am a writer. He makes a lot more money for what he writes and I’m sure has a lot more readers. I do understand that one way to get your name out as a writer is to say irritating things that entice folks to read what you write out of irritation. I will never be well known if I have to resort to those tactics.

There are a lot of guns out there that I don’t care for or I think they are grossly over rated but I see no need to urinate in someone else’s corn flakes.

We have a popular bumper sticker in the South that says “We don’t care how the He## ya’ll do it up North.” That bumper sticker is often interpreted to mean that Southern folks don’t like Yankees. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I married a Yankee and, if you read any of my writing, I will bore you telling you how great she is. My favorite relative is her brother and I have as many friends north of the Mason Dixon as south. None of them tell me how much better it is up there or how much smarter folks are up there. The folks that do, I count off as jerks just as I would those from the South that tell me how much smarter Southern folks are.

Everyone has his opinion and has a right to it. My opinion is that Mr. Haddock’s expression of his opinion that things British are better than things made in the USA says a lot about his character. Another thing I’ve learned is that you can never convince a horses a$$ that he is one. As my Mama said on many occasions, “you might as well save your breath to cool your soup.”

I would also say that I would hardly consider a man who can’t spell Lefever as an expert on American guns any more than I would a person making bold statements about Brit guns who couldn't spell Purdey.

Well said Mr. Jones.........
Some people just don't get it!

Nothing new about this debate. From 1907, a brash young Yank proudly shows off his Baker to an unimpressed British fop

Annie did once shoot a cigarette from Kaiser Wilhelm's mouth. Paraphrasing what she said later on "If I hadn't been such a good shot I might have prevented World War One".

Just Another Bit of Useless Information.....George

She shot Parkers, too.

I would be very curious as to the total production of double guns in the US as opposed to the UK in ,lets say, the years 1890 to 1930.I would also be curious as to the total numbers of hunters in those countries during that period.I dare say the opportunities for gunning are much greater here than anywhere in the UK at any level,not to mention the interest in pursuing same.

I rather suspect that Annie O. would have been as spectacular no matter the brand on the gun she was using.

PA24, I only read somewhere that she use a pair of 20's that were built by Lancaster and he fitted them for her at his shooting school, I have a picture somewhere of it. I think Doc Carver also won some big match once with Greeners and also owned a Cashmore pigeon gun.

I'll agree that that the Mustang became a true fighter once it got a R R Merlin inside. As for winning the war, I'm sure it did well but the Spitfire and the Hurricane had paved the way for it.

I don't decry American made guns; in fact I am trying to add one or two examples to my collection and they are hard to find here. So far I have six different U.S. made guns in the cabinet. I'm still after a nice Fox. I still like to shoot an old Winchester '93 and use it sometimes at black powder clay shoots - I do well with it too. Lagopus.....

Lagopus..........the Spit and the Hurricane did just fine, but only on the island or over the channel....no range at all for either of those machines......so they didn't pave much....only kept your island from being invaded, which was quite a big deal at that......but Bomber Harris needed something to escort the Lancaster's.....and when the U.S. showed up, we needed a B-17-B-24 escort machine...and the Mustang did the trick..."all the way to Berlin and back".......after that, the Luftwaffe was finished, as were the German's.................

The Spit and Hurricane had an altitude (height) problem, the ME-109's had superchargers, the English machines did not...so the 109's preferred to fight high, the Brits preferred to fight low....(where the Spit ruled).....kinda like the light weight, short chambered Brit double guns...?? Your best bragging machine was by far the "Mosquito"....a machine the German's just could not catch.......

I like British guns as well, just think they are over-priced when over-here.....don't care for all the "ginger-bread" (engraving...modest is o.k. IMO).......and I still think the "shooter" is more important than the gun.....

As mentioned above, A.O. would have done well with any gun I think....she was one of those self taught country girls, who shot to eat...and became quite good at it....you know, "shoot 'em in the eye to save meat"..........

Tallyho---