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I've come across a 12g SXS hammergun by a James A. Ellis of Canandaigua, NY.
Can anyone tell me more about it? I guess they're very scarce.
The gun has 30" damascus bbls, keyed forend, straight grip, low hammers (missing one), moderate scroll engraving, a doll's head, and push lever release.
I know Ellis had something to do with Lefever. However, this gun does not have the Lefever name on it anywhere.
From what I can tell, it must have been made after the Ellis & Lefever relationship dissolved.
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J.A. Ellis was one of early 'Uncle Dans' partners. That was in pre-Dangerfieled & Lefever days when the Uncle had gunsmithing business.  Nothing on Ellis in Antique Guns a Collector's Guide or in back of The Golden Age of Shotgunning by Hinman. Ellis might be kinda  if you're from New York State.
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The late Jerry Swinney's work "The New York Gun Trade" has several pages on Ellis, both before and after his partnership with Lefever. He made made rifles, mule eared over/unders, etc as well as shotguns. He and sons eventually evolved from gun making/smithing to the hardware business. Having said that raises the posibility of your gun being an import. Any proofmarks?
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The doll's head and push lever release indicate American manufacture connected with Lefever designs. Need pictures.
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I believe that Lefever & Ellis were partnered between 1862 & 1867 & were making muzzle loaders. I have seen one gun from this era, an over/under combo of 16ga/.40cal having a righthand mule-ear percussion lock with two hammers, one trigger as I recall. I presume it dropped which ever hammer was cocked. Agree with 8-Bore, it sounds like later Lefever/Dangerfield design. Pictures would definately be great.
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Thanks for the info.
I'm trying to get pics.
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Ellis, James A.--Gunmaker of Canandiagua, Ontario County, N.Y., 1868-74; thence to Waterloo, N.Y., where he is found in 1882. The census of 1870 indicates he had $500 invested in the business and employed two hands at a total of $1,200 per year. He was equipped with two lathes. During the year ended June 30, 1870, he purchased 50 gun barrels at $200, wood at $20, and charcoal at $36. He producewd 25 sporting guns valued at $1,000, and made miscellaneous articles and repairs at $1850.
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Waiting for pics.
I have an unbarreled stocked action that may fit.
Best,
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Is the Ellis over under the one with single trigger and two hammers that lie together when cocked on the same side of the action?
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It's a SxS, double triggers. From what I've been able to figure out, I think it was made by one the Lefever partnerships and retailed by Ellis.
I have not seen the gun yet. I've just talked to the owner about it.
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