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I reload my "old" doubles to around 7,000psi and am considering shooting 1 1/4oz Kent TM 2 3/4-inch at 9,060psi in my 12ga fluid-barrelled 1899 Francotte, 1911 Parker VH, 1913 A&N, 1925 Fox SW, and 1938 L.C. Smith. Opinions, please.
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Because of the time frame I look at an 1899 fluid barreled gun as weaker than the same gun with Damascus barrels.
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Thanks, Joe. I'm thinking more of the 1911 Parker VH with Vulcan barrels choked F/F, for geese. For ducks, 1 1/8 is o.k. for me.
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King, I'll wager that the Parker, the A&N, the Sterlingworth and the Elsie were all fed a lot stiffer stuff than 9,060 psi long before they came to you. 9,060 is certainly not a mild load but is a reasonable load for all but the Francotte. I have a 1898 Parker DH on a #2 frame with Titanic fluid steel barrels which I shoot "off the shelf" ammo in with no ill effects.
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I shoot almost entirely old German or Swedish hammer doubles with 65 or 67 mm chambers (commonly called "2 1/2 inch" in English) and fluid steel barrels, guns weighing 6-7 lbs. For hunting, I use typical European and British hunting loads, factory and reloads, with 1,0 oz of shot at about 1300 fps and chamber pressures per CIP standards, which is well above 7.000 psi.
NEVER have I seen any warning against this, other than standard "use only in guns in good condition, intended for these ammos". These ammos have been around since at least 1890s and some of my old guns have been heavily used and repaired, common for European hunting guns, while others seem to be totally original (especially two apparently from hunt clubs). One can only suppose that such factory loads were the ammo used.
I would expect that Parkers and Francottes would perform as well, perhaps the Foxes and Smiths too.
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King:
If the guns you listed are in proper shooting condition, and I believe you have the experience to determine this, I see no problems with the load you described.
Jim
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King,
I've fired cases of those through Parker 157150 without a bit of trouble other than I did have to get the stock head repaired but it had been repaired before.
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This is all encouraging. I live off in the woods and there are very few double-guys around, none attracted to the old guns. It's great to have the wide experience so generously provided by this board. Thanks.
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