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I have yet to see a 21 with a rib problem.
I have one old 21 trap gun that must have had a million rounds through it. The aftermarket Simmons ventilated rib had to be repaired but the originals are just fine.
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Last edited by AmarilloMike; 12/02/08 06:42 PM.
I am glad to be here.
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Grant have you thought about donating it to your local Cracker Barrel ?
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Come on Joe, do we really need to start this again? On the subject both my NIDs are fine, all my guns see more shooting thena they were made for. A field grade NID or anything else was built to shoot from 1 to 6 boxes of shells a year for maybe 30 or 40 years, a target gun will exceed that in less than a season. I have cheap Belgian hammer guns (Bayards)that run a couple of thousand shells a year, so far knock on wood, I have had to deal with one broken hammer.
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Miller, I was going to bring that point up too, but, remember, greed might not be the right word to use about people living in coastal Canada, shooting eiders, and using every part of the bird for survival. Existance, in a subsistance world, doesn't correlate nicely with our notions of sport, fair chase, or greed, today. I'm OK with that. Can hardly blame the old coots that gave us the greatest generation for doing that with efficiency. All the blow-hards who crow loudest about ethics, sport, or whatever haven't looked hunger real square in the face in their lifetimes, or faced the challenges faced by our ancestors in the past. Those same ancestors gave us the changes that lead to our comfortable notions of wildlife managment and fair chase.
Pump wins the efficiency contest, hands down. Funny, that Winchester managed to sell a 'coupla million of those guns that spent all their time jammed, according to some here. My first year 20 gauge model 1912 has never jammed in my use, in spite of cheap-ass old me not spending the dough for proper length (2 1/2") ammunition for it. Ditto the Remingtons, Ithaca 37s, and Mossberg 500s that litter the place. My doubles don't seem to complain too loudly when I take a pump out into the rain, sleet, or, whatever, in the fall.
The high scores in international shooting have long favored other gun designs, by the way.
I didn't tell Grant to junk his double, I said to get it fixed (nothing worse than a broken gun in the house) and, use it in the future with a nod to it's age, and the cost of good quality, qualified, double gun maintenance.
I use that model 12 the same way, but, in the rain. With a plug. I handle the maintenance, or, lack thereof.
Whatever is most efficient, right?
Best, Ted
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Grant, you know it would be a shame for your son to put this gun up and not shoot it. This is what we are looking for all the time, a gun that feels good and we can break lots of targets with. It is obvious to me that your son and this gun are made for each other. Get it fixed, explain the proper way to close an old double and let him shoot the old gal. This old Ithaca that the lever bent like silly puddy will always be a special bond with you two. This is a special gun.
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Miller, greed might not be the right word to use about people living in coastal Canada, shooting eiders, and using every part of the bird for survival. Existance, in a subsistence world, doesn't correlate nicely with our notions of sport, fair chase, or greed, today. I'm OK with that.
Teddy the pump came along after "the subsistence world" you're dreaming of....the pump was more the tool of market hunters and sky busters.
Can hardly blame the old coots that gave us the greatest generation for doing that with efficiency. All the blow-hards who crow loudest about ethics, sport, or whatever haven't looked hunger real square in the face in their lifetimes, or faced the challenges faced by our ancestors in the past.
Teddy these people you speak of most likely couldn't afford to buy a pump gun.
Those same ancestors gave us the changes that lead to our comfortable notions of wildlife managment and fair chase.
Sportsmen did all this Ted.....not the "subsistence hunters" as you call them.
Pump wins the efficiency contest, hands down.
Pumps win the in'efficiency contest hands down...just a wasteful machine with no soul.
My doubles don't seem to complain too loudly when I take a pump out into the rain, sleet, or, whatever, in the fall.
Ted..I've never had a SxS melt in the rain, sleet or whatever....If you just feel more confident with the extra firepower I can understand.
Whatever is most efficient, right? Best, Ted Ted shooting a side by side has nothing to do with efficiency....(the "Jelly Donut" is on me Teddy)
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Sometime in the very near future, a new Prez might have to throw a bone to the far left crowd and outlaw pumps 'n autos. By his own voting record, only break-open shotguns and 22lr bolt rifles will make the grade. Something to remember when looking at a high grade M12!
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Kinda warms mah ol heart. Ithica bashin was in effect when I first visited this site at about post 500 which was approximately 150,000 posts ago... Yes, I do remember that. It all centered around using duck loads in a Flues. Never any 1st hand information... At least that is my recollection. Pete
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The old girl's on her way to Gunter Pfrommer as of yesterday. I'll post on her repairs when she gets back. Grant.
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Non-aboriginal subsistance hunting was practiced up until the early 1960s along the coast of Nova Scotia, jOe-don't let your narrow mind (the only narrow part, I might add) get in the way of the facts. The rest of your blather is about as well researched. Two million people managed to find the money for a model 12 pump. Not many were rich. Market hunting was LEGAL, jOe-Market hunters were simply folks making a living. Skybusters, they were not-they knew exactly how to take game, efficiently. Times changed. While you would tar them all as criminals, this is quite untrue. Most of what you post is un-researched, narrow-minded opinion, from your self rightous, well-fed place in time today. Best, Ted
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