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jOe......not sure about the hinge pin.

I took the picture into photo shop and enlarged it.

What I thought was the "hinge pin screw head turned sideways" was just an engraving mark on the "drive in type hinge pin".

It's a really low grade Hollis...I'd look really close it looks low grade enough to be Belgium made.

Isaac Hollis & Sons.1861-1900, Gun Rifle and Pistol maker.
[Previously traded as Hollis and Sheath 1849-1861.]
This company was a large scale manufacturer of sporting guns primarily for the South African & Indian markets. They also produced cheap trade guns.
Their manufacturing locations were in Weaman Row & Lench Street, Birmingham.They maintained retail offices in London,at 83, Cheapside, 1871-1883 & 6,Great Winchester Street, 1884-1900. The gun pictured is typical of low end hammer guns made by other Birmingham makers of this era. For example; Midland Gun Company and Clabrough.

He was a prolific maker under his own name and also to the trade. He even made a few for Westley Richards. I have a boxlock Hollis that is exactly like a Westley 'Gold Name'; except for the name that is, and the fact it isn't in gold - well, you get my meaning. Lagopus.....

Here is a good example from Hollis,...this is a very well made hammer gun

CJ

C.J. I admire you Hollis! Looks to be equal to London,s Best. Many Birmingham made guns continue to be under valued in terms of their quality.This, despite the fact that so many so-called, "London guns," were completely made and finished in Birmingham.

This thread is another good example of the hazard in trying to associate "Original Quality" with a maker's (or seller's) name. To arrive at a passable estimate of price, you must factor in maker's name for "Brand Value" (BV), "Original Quality" (OQ), and "Current Condition" (CC). For the two guns pictured, the name is the same, but the original quality and the current condition are clearly different.

Hollis is a Brand Value level three (BV3) name. My system cuts off at 1890ish guns, although I now have a fair amount of data for hammerguns of earlier production. So, lets run a test and see how a prediction works out. I'll guess that it is Original Quality grade eight (OQ8) which would value it like a plain boxlock non-ejector. The Current Condition level appears to be between level six and level seven, "Shootable but needs some repairs and refinishing" (CC6) and "Shootable but needs repairs or restoration" (CC7). BV3-OQ8-CC6 = $430 and BV3-OQ8-CC7 = $300. On the other end of CC, would this gun in pristine condition (BV3-OQ8-CC1) be worth $1950?

Nice gun CJ. It looks as though it may have been a conversion from muzzle loader; style of fences, hammers and the bottom of the barrel - even the trade lable seems to point that way. Nice gun altogether. I wonder what others think of the possibility of a conversion. Lagopus.....

Here are a couple more pics of the Hollis and as you can see it is of great quality,...I also had one that was very close in resemblance to the first one pictured and they both have/had impeccable lockwork.

Lagopus,...not sure about your muzzle loader theory as this Hollis has fluid steel bbls

CJ

Nothing "muzzleloader" about that gun....with the exception of style.