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Sliver, I have a Sauer drilling that is not marked, but I think it is 11.15X65. I shoot .410s in it. They fit like a glove and the plastic wads seem to protect the rifling from damage. I doubt that the lead shot would do any damage even without this protection. It is a great gun for preserve shooting, shooting the .410 shell first, then switching to two 16 gauge. Right now there is a .44 caliber bullet stuck in there. I foolishly tried to slug the barrel with a hard cast bullet that I though was pure lead. My driller is in very well preserved condition, hammers, side lever to open, Krupp barrels, outrageous European walnut. I need a local gunsmith to remove the bullet because I don't want to foul up the throat trying to remove it myself. I have thought about using brass .410 2 1/2" shells with hand seated bullets. Anyone think that's a good idea?

The doll's head is peened, it appears. The gun apparently has more problems than you would want for the selling price (way below $800 the seller says). I like mine just fine, but would like to find someone in MD or PA to get that bullet out of the throat. I can't sell mine because a good friend sold it to me for $250 and I really do like it.

I foolishly tried to slug the barrel with a hard cast bullet that I though was pure lead. My driller is in very well preserved condition

eightbore:
You're right and this can be a nasty condition. I have had luck in the past driving cast lead bullets out using the largest dowel that will fit and tapping with a mallet. The nice thing about a wooden dowel is it won't damage the rifling.
Jim

Thanks for the idea, but I have already found that a hard oak dowel, regardless of how tight it fits, will shatter and get stuck in the barrel. When I get the broken end of the dowel out, I will go to my next idea.

eightbore:
The reason they use ash and not oak for baseball bats is it will shatter when stressed. You MAY be able to get the broken end of the dowel out with a worm used for removing charges from muzzleloaders and then start over. However; Perhaps someone else has another idea.
Sorry for the rotten luck.
Jim

It will turn out OK, Jim. I once had a Savage Fourtenner stuck in a Parker hammer gun for over a year. I only worked on it about a half hour a month, but finally got it out.

I was also in search of the elusive 11.15x65r for my Sauer hammer drilling and had contacted Steve Meyer of the German Gun Collector Assn. I have included his reply below. I am also posting a picture of the bottom of my barrel that I shared with Steve as well.

Hope the following information helps you.






The 11,15x65R (also noted as 11,15x65,4R) cartridge is an elongated version of the German military 11,15x60R (.43) Mauser round. The .43 Mauser spawned dozens of sporting cartridges of various calibers and lengths and the 65mm version was fairly popular, but it really has no relation to any .450 round. The 62/78 indicates the gauge of the rifle barrel and is usually all that's seen to give any clue as to the chambering - having the explicit "patr(one)" (cartridge) mark is rare. Still, a chamber cast wouldn't hurt. 62.78 gauge translates into .420", which would be the largest diameter rod, in .010" increments, that would fit in the bore. Groove diameter of your rifle barrel will probably be somewhere between .440-.448"

The rest of that cartridge mark shows that it was loaded with black powder (SP = schwartze pulver) and the bullet weight was 17,7 grams (about 273 grains) and plain lead (BL = Blei, or lead).

Unfortunately I don't know of a source for formed 11,15x65R cases. Huntington's lists .44 Sharps basic brass which could be used as a starting point, and I'm pretty certain that judicious use of .43 Mauser dies would result in usable ammo without the expense of having dies custom made. Buffalo Arms is also a good source for unusual brass and advice on BP loading. They don't list the 65mm case, but they do 'stretch' brass and may be able to make some for you.

The .410 works fine for me, and the 2 1/2" brass .410 case just happens to be 65MM long. I haven't tried the Rocky Mountain .410 cases, but they work well in other sizes.

8-b, I have had good luck on stuck bullets with a brass rod. Like wood, won't hurt the rifling. Did you soak in penetrating oil before the oak attack? A 3/8" rod should work - - - just in case you don't have a 13/32" rod laying about. Also, a 13/32" drill with a 1/4" turned shank soldered into a 3/8" rod (steel or brass) and turned slow with lottsa lube (say, with a hand brace) should also take the offending material out.

CH4D makes reloading dies for
http://www.ch4d.com/

11.15x60r Mauser
11.15x64r
11.15x65r LK Express

You might want to give them a call 740-397-7214. I understand that they can make brass, though I do not know the pricing. I believe they have formed 11.15x60r Mauser from .348 Winchester.

I purchased a set of dies for 9.3x82R from them recently. They were easy to deal with.

ASSRA has a reference to this round:
http://www.assra.com/gleanings.htm
"The Elusive 11.15x65R" J.C. Munnell, 9-pp. of reloading for it in three European double rifles, in September, 2004 issue of The Accurate Rifle.

Be sure to do a chamber cast.
http://damascus-barrels.com/files/Damascus-Barrels_dot_com_Cerrosafe_ChamberCast.pdf

Pete