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doubletrouble, in order for BO to attain any of his "world order" socialist programs he must first disarm the American public and render ineffective the Second Amendment which guarantees our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms is and must continue to be the most importand and precious right we have. It even guarantees out right to free elections - the right to vote.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1022

Here is a link to the new "Assault Weapons" ban that has already been introduced in the House. With a large majority in Both Houses now that will be quickly acted upon after Obama is sworn in.
All he will have to do is sign this bill and it will become the law of the land. This is a slam dunk when you look at his past record on gun legislation. Will this immediately affect double guns which is our primary interest? No but it's a first step down the road to registration and eventual confiscation.
Obama will also be in the position to adopt the arms proliferation agreement put forth by the United Nations which will further curtail your right to keep and bear arms.
Welcome to socialist reality.
Jim

"world order" socialist programs....where do you get this shit?....Obama stated that he would let the Bush tax cuts expire for people earning over $200,000 a year....that's a far cry from being a socialist program....he made the mistake of referring to this tax cut expiration as a "spreading of wealth" and McCain jumped all over it, calling it socialism....this is no more "socialism" than it was before the Bush tax cuts were implemented.....in view of the record profits posted by Exxon and the spreading distance between the middle class and the wealthy, allowing the tax cuts to expire would seem a good idea....the fact that John McCain repeatedly called this idea "socialist" and proclaimed it LOUDLY doesn't make it socialist....but it would seem that saying it often and loudly does succeed in convincing those who would not bother to look at what was actually said.....

Proportionally I would wager that I am correct if he returns to even 50% max MTR.

Obscenely high rates happened before, there is nothing that says they cant/wont happen again. But to look at those rates which ran as high as 91%; at that time in our history far fewer people were in the middle and uppe middle class. the numbers that were affected by that high rate were far smaller than now. But the rates existed because they were legislated. And you cannot deny he has an extremely liberal social agenda for leveling the playing field and taking pieces of the pie.




The bottom 40% of wage earners pay no income taxes at all. He already said he would raise taxes on all wage earners making over 250,000. Thats a lot of small business owners . they dont pay corporate income tax, they pay it on their gross income only which is what the business earns. Take from the haves and give to the have nots.

Whenever someone starts talking about fairness and economic justice they are enaging in class warfare.

If you think for a minute that we dont have to worry about the MOST LIBERAL MEMBER OF CONGRESS who is now President Elect not wanting to push his own agenda you are living in a fantasy land. Executive orders dont require anything from congress. BHO will be able to legislate whatever he wants without anyones say. he cant you say! Look how many times Bill Clinton used executive orders to do what he wanted.

Will this happen overnight. no. But just like the lobster that you put in a pot of cold water and turn on the stove and he finallyt boils to death without a struggle becuase he gets used to the water as it gets hotter unhtil he is paralized and then cooks, it will creep up on us.

With an executive order BHO can ban whatever he wants. He does not need congress. besides which, both houses are Dem controlled and when the Messiah speaks they will bow down.

This is my opinion. Do I hope I am wrong. yes I do. Does that mean I dont anticipate possible problems. No.

Brian,

Just wondering if you if you did few take a moment to look at the historical tax rate data in the link that I posted. No one in his worst nightmare can imagine the tax rates under Obama would be anywhere close to as redistributive as they were in the 40's through 1980. I wasn't around in the 50's, but I don't think this was a socialist country then, and and don't remember hearing that people referred to each other as "komrad" under Truman and Eisenhower. The state has been interventionist and redistributive to varying degrees for much of the past century, and even if Obama were able to enact most of his program (which is unlikely) we would still be well within historical ranges of goverment activism, with no reason to believe that we are heading towards socialism.

I noticed that you refer to Orwell in you signature line - It is obvious to me what he would have though of attempts to label a modest adjustment in taxes and government social programs as "socialism." This is a good example of Newspeak - a reduction of the range of terms used so that thoughts are simplified, conclusions arrived at easily, and critical thought stifled. For me, calling Obama a "socialist" is equivalent the tendency of some on the left of the spectrum to irresponsibly refer to their opponents on the right as "fascists."

To put it another way, are those who label Obama a socialist really trying to get me to believe that a candidate who proposes a top income tax rate of 35% is not a socialist and one who proposes a rate of 39% is?

As for those who are concerned about the intrusiveness of the government under Obama, have you taken a look at the rules just enacted by Bush increasing the power of the FBI to gather information on us, even if we are not under investigation for a specific offence?

Dave

Dave you make a good point. W gave our rights up. The terrorists fly into the WTC and we as a nation cower down and are OK with throwing away our constitutional rights. Bush should be ashamed of himself. IMO, if Bush wouldn't have gotten the country in such a mess, BHO would NEVER have had a shot at winning this race. I just hope for the best now.

Don't give up hope yet Major. Just as there was a "Special Ops." plan to nail that traitor-[censored] Hanoi Jane Fonda and her dipstick rich hubby Ted Turner- after they bought that property in MT and posted it-even the rivers, and MT has "run of the river access rights"- some ex-well- anyway ex- were plotting to take them out via a sniper op. while they were fly-fishing out there-didn't happen, they never got Rev. Jesse Jackson (yet) but how many Secret Service agents are gonna "take the High Hard One" for McCoon-maybe he'll let them keep their "duty" weapons, as long as they are unloaded and with the trigger locks in place.

The last words old Fat Boy Orson Welles said on his deathbed were "Keep that God*&^%$ Ted Turner and his crayons the Hell away from my movies- Idiots with too much money-Turner, Hollywood, Streisand, etc-they never worry about being mugged or the CCW rights- they have hired body guards- Best thing about having Osama Bahama Mama gone is Biden has so many skeletons in his closet (MBNA Bank "fixes" in DE) that he can be "put in line"-Biden knows he's on the NRA's "fecal roster"-he may be a [censored], but he's NOT a dumb [censored]-

You took too serious what Obama said. It was just presidental campain. I can hardly imagine how he's gonna disarming America. Things will remain the same.

RWF, You need to see your Doc and get your meds adjusted.

I believe if it was BO running against Jessie Jackson then Jessie would be the new prez as he would give more for nothing.Bush the first when he took his oath made his speach of the new world order so BO ain't the first with that idea.I believe if BO would have lost a close onewe would have riots today and the same if he fails to reach office.Because of yesterday our country will change forever and we will have to see just how and much. Good side is if Hillary had won with Obama as V.P. they would probably controlled the Whitehouse for 16 years. Now we have a hope of four.