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Eightbore, I had the "thought" , apparently incorrect that R.S. marked guns might have had more finish work done by R.S. than guns with no engraving etc. Your guns prove my thought wrong. I assumea your engraving is similar to the Overbaugh.

Illustrated New York: The Metropolis of To-day. 1888, p112
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"CE. OVERBAUGH & Co. Manufacturers and Dealers in Guns, Rifles, and Sporting Goods, Nos 205 and 267 Broadway.— A m reliable and successful house engaged in the manufacture and sale of guns and sporting goods in the metropolis is that of Messrs. C. E. Overbaugh & Co., whose shop and salesroom are situated at Nos. 265 and 267 Broadway. This business was established in 1878 by Mr. C. E. Overbaugh who is sole proprietor. Since July, 1880, Mr. Overbaugh has added first-class gun and rifle work to his business. The premises occupied are commodious and are fully stocked with a superior assortment of guns and rifles of the latest and most improved patterns, ammunition of all descriptions, and first class sporting goods, which are offered to customers at exceedingly moderate prices. These goods are unsurpassed for quality, reliability, workmanship, and general excellence by those of any other first-class house in the trade, and are general favorites with hunters, wherever introduced. They do not propose to do a clap-trap business, advertising goods with fancy brands and fraudulent and misleading descriptions, but to do a square business, buying their goods at the lowest rates, and giving their customers the benefit of their ability and experience. They believe that in New York there is a grand opening for a house of this kind that will supply consumers at popular prices, and they propose to fill the bill. As to their reputation for fair dealing, they refer to the Winchester Repeating Arms Co., New Haven and New York; Colt's Fire Arms Co., Hartford; Parker Bros., Meriden and New York, manufacturers; and Schoverling, Daly & Gales, Hartley & Graham, John P. Moore's Sons, and H. Boker & Co , the leading wholesale houses in New York; also, the Merchants' Exchange National Bank. They guarantee every article as rerepresented, and money will be refunded if satisfaction is not given on any of the goods named in this catalogue. All orders will have especial prompt attention. New York is the only market where a full line of fire-arms and equipments are kept in stock, and their facilities enable them to fill all orders with the promptest dispatch. Mr. Overbaugh makes a specialty of manufacturing fine shot guns and rifles, and numbers among his customers many of the best shots in the United States. He was born in Catskill, N. Y., and came to the metropolis in 1850. where he is highly esteemed by the community for his mechanical skill, and the success achieved by him is as substantial as it is well merited. Mr. Overbaugh's family is one of the oldest in the East, Overbaugh, a town in the State of New York, being named after one of his ancestors, who came to this country in 1728. "

Annual Report
By National Rifle Association of America
Published by , 1874
Item notes: 1873-76
Page 129
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In 1876, May 31 - June 1, he placed 7th at the Creedmoor shoot as a member of the American Rifle Team.

Pete

Geez Pete, You're nothing short of amazing!

Can we assume that Mr. Overbaugh, mentioning SD&G as one of his suppliers, enlisted SD&G to have the Lindner firm mark guns with the Overbaugh name to be sold from the Overbaugh storefronts?

Eightbore, this is similar to T L Golcher being a representative of Daly guns as well as others. So Golcher sold Daly guns,later sold Golcher guns sourced from Lindner, and now Overbaugh sold Overbaugh guns, but obviously sourced from Lindner as were the Golchers. I am uncertain who tapped the Lindner source first. That knowledge might help us know how Daly began his Lindner association.

There is an interesting bit in the Illustrated New York description: "any of the goods named in this catalogue" So somewhere there is an Overbaugh catalog sitting in a draw. A very small point. I found some later listing for Overbaugh. The address had changed to 300 Broadway.

I am trying to get a "hit" with the census records for C.E. I am wondering what became of him.

Pete

Terry,

Here is a bit more from Hunter's Guide to Long-Range Shooting By Wayne Van Zwoll:



Pete

Pete, As long as your looking Sellers list Overbaugh & Stanton 1862-1864 and Overbaugh & Daly 1884.

Overbaugh was at Poughkeepsie , NY 1862-1864
Philadelphia, PA 1873-1875
New York, NY 1876-1890
Bayonne, NJ 1890-1898

He also had two patents 498,856 & 610,660

Interesting that S, D&G began sometime in 1873 and by 1890 they had a bout with the U.S.A. Goverment - case law, http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&court=US&case=/us/146/76.html , where it seems to note that S, D&G imported components and had them assembled as an attempt to circumvent the McKinley Tarriff Act( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKinley_Tariff ). Wasn't there a Charles Daly & Company(maybe in the 1920s) under the S, D&G umbrella? Apparently they used tradenames, one which they used to import say barrels and another gunstocks all via a steamer from Amsterdam(or name proper): "The importers, Schoverling, Daly & Gales, of the city of New York,
on the 20th of October, 1890, imported, per steamer Amsterdam, into
the port ofiNew York certain gun-stocks with the usual metal mountings
complete, without the barrels. The collector of the port assessed duty
thereon under paragraph 170 of the tariff act of October 1, 1890, which
provides forboth a specific and ad valorem duty upon "all double-bar-
relled, sporting, breech-loading shotguns." The collector held that they
should pay such duty because the only use to which they could be put
was in connection with the barrels of such arms, and it was admitted by
the importers to be their intention to nt the stocks with barrels imported A
by another house, in which a member of their firm was a partner."

from: http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F1/0045/001/00000368.txt
Charles Daly & Co, Overbaugh & Daly, Manhattan Arms( http://www.manhattanfirearms.com/FAQ.html ) , etc. all could have been under the S, D&G umbrella and imported components to get around the tariff issue.

"Schoverling, Daly & Gales, composed of August Schoverling, Charles Daly, and Joseph Gales, imported into the port of New York, from Europe.." The transcript in the lower portion of this site http://supreme.justia.com/us/146/76/case.html is quite amusing to me. Almost like crossexamination.

A little more info on the appealed case. Albert H. Washburn of Comstock & Washburn was S,D&G's counselor. Apparently the stocks were shipped 50 to a crate and the barrels were shipped separately 50 to a crate: http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F1/0078/0078.f1.0800.pdf .

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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Very interesting discussion.

One interesting note, Pete mentioned Overbaugh moved premises to from 267 Boradway to 300 Broadway during his NY stay. That would have put him literally next door to SD&G who occupied 302 and 304 Broadway during this period. Not a stretch to figure how he might have tapped SD&G's existing gun making connections in Prussia.

Ken