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Ken-your wisdom and integrity ring true- both sides will feel they are right-and there is no "clear and certain winner" in this dogfight- I once sold an older Winchester I "bought very right"- a duplicate to another one in my modest collection-held it for a few years, decided to sell it to a dealer (who advertises in Gun List)-long story short- I "wrote off" the shipping loss $- as I still came out way ahead $ wise-and let it go- I would think the $300 might be a typo-that does seem a tad much for UPS insured on a $2400 firearm from TN to MO-but I'm not a UPS insider-and the BATF paperwork and packing is overhead for any licensed dealer-A friend inherited an older (circa 1909) 12 gauge L.C. Smith Pigeon Grade- kept it stored muzzles up in his gun cabinet- but over-oiled it, and the wood around the sidelocks became soft and rotted-and it cracked when he was hunting with it-many years ago- I am told that sidelocks are more expensive to restock than boxlocks, all the inletting-hard lesson to learn. RWTF

In looking at picture No 2 that Jason was sent as posted above; I can,at least on my monitor, clearly see the crack behind the right lock. I tried to blow it up and make it even clearer but was unsuccessful. There's no question in my mind that the gun was shipped with this crack in it so can't understand why there's any reason not to believe the rest of what he related.
Jim

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Jim

No way to miss those cracks and I don't believe they could have happened in shipping.The cracks show the same wear as the rest of the wood and are probably very old.They should pay return shipping but the FFL is what I would call your own hook. Some FFL's want fifty bucks and some twenty five but I've never paid any cause a hang around shop that knows you as a good customer will at least all I know, do it for free to keep you comming back.Also maybe the gun went back to a more humid climate and all the metal swelled up makeing it tight again.

I ordered a an AYA 56 from Phillip Futtrel one time. He said it had 30" barrels. When I received it it had 28" barrels. I sent it back with a note to explain the return. Phillip's bookkeeper called me and asked how much my FFL and shipping were. I told her and that amount was added to my refund check.

If the gun is obviously not as described then I think the dealer ought to pay my costs as he made the mistake.

Disagreement over subjective items seems to have the prospective buyer paying for all the shipping costs. By subjective I mean 20% versus 40% case color, frosting vs. light pitting, 5X wood vs 3X etc...

I wouldn't hesitate to buy another gun from Phillip (Mid South Guns?).

Best,

Mike

Mike, I have to agree with you re. Phillip Futtrel, He is one straight shooter and honest to a fault.

I second that about Phillip Futtrel. He makes it easy to talk too!

Here's what I did so you all might want to try this. Go to page 10. Go to Jason's post and right click on the second picture from the top and e-mail it to yourself or send it to the "My Documents" section of your own computer. This way you can magnify the picture. Compare the picture to the top picture on page 9. Can you see the same crack behind the receiver in the buttstock?

I wish on my computer I could see the crack in the original picture...would have saved alot of hassle. When I try to zoom in or enlarge it...it becomes to fuzzy to make anything out.

Now that I have seen the gun and photographed it...I believe I can see a color change where the crack is in the original picture but for me, the crack does not stand out in the picture.

BTW, I will try and refrain from replying to this thread any more as I can't add anything that has not been discussed already.

It all seems so simple. If, as the seller believes, the gun cracks occured in shipping and maybe the loose rib did too, then a claim should be filed with the shipper. Of course the shipper will easily see that all this happened in transit and will pay up fast.