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12 ga. Otto Geyger shotgun. Can anyone point to who made this action?



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Looks like a Charles Daly to me.

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It appears to be a boxlock with top and bottom sears as found on J. P, Sauer & Sohn model XIV. Is there a double S stamp on the watertable? Sauer would be my guess.

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I think Jerry Mouer has nailed it. It looks to be a rounded action, not the flat top and could also be a Model 17(most likely) or 18(chopperlump-Meisterwerk and usually has gold inlay) with the overhanging and lower intercepting(Schnitt-from cutway) scears. I'm curious if "Special-Gewehr-Lauf-Stahl" is on the the tubes. O.(Oscar/Otto?) Geyger peddled longarms mainly by Oskar Merkel(with the typical Merkel frame which this one doesn't have) of Suhl but also included some Johann Paul Sauer weapons such as longarms and the Behorden Model 7,65 Calibre pistol, which along with a typewritter can be seen in a circa 1935 O.(Otto/Oscar?) Geyger advertisment. Sauer was taking it on the chin in the 1920s and early 1930s and closed their Berlin office and O. Geyger became the sole agent. Oscar Geyger began circa 1890(moved around 1900) and held the power of attorney for N.v. Dreyse weapons company, Oscar Geyger & Company.

Any chance of getting a pic of the watertable & flats?

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I wish I had a camera that could focus down that close. The barrels have a lone letter "s" just forward of the flats, as well as the 3 digit serial number. The water table has only proofs, a 3 digit serial number, and gauge listed. The outside of the barrels has only "O.Geyger, Berlin" and the word "Nitro".

The gun has 2 ivory beads, an articulated front trigger, and a proof mark on the stock, a letter "S" with what appears to be an upside down chevron (pointing up) over it, just forward of the rear sling swivel.

One more thing, ... I have seen cased guns that said "Otto Geyger" not Oscar on the case label. Were there 2 different Geyger firms operating ?


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Peter:

How about a "S" with another "S" slightly above and overstamped w/ a "U" overstamped(Sauer and Sauer or Sauer & Sohn)? Just glancing at the Berlin addresses, it is either father and son or a misspelling(my vote is for father & son). I've seen mostly "O. Geyger" after 1900 and the "O." wasn't spelled out. But the O. Geyger Company in Berlin was the retailer that peddled Sauer's products as well as Oskar Merkel's.
So there's not a date stamp and the gauge designation is in a circle?

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I would suggest that the S on the barrels, if in a cartouche, is the mark of Schilling. He was a renowned barrel maker in Suhl.
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Gauge designation is in a circle. No date stamp.


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I saw a nice 12 ga. Sauer und Sohn (Suhl) boxlock ejectorof the side-by this past week in a small town gun shop- pre-War with the cocking indicators on the sides receiver- about where the reionforcing "bosses" might be- it had a cheekpiece buttstock with recoil pad- believe 28" Krupp barrels- and those darned sling swivels the European doubles often have-nice looking gun, another gent was looking at it- are those style of cocking indicators still in use today on German/Austrian double guns??


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RWTF:

I guess if you have someone carry your longarm from you to shoot then you wouldn't need the swivels. When hunting I consider the sling, i.e. sling swivels, a necessity. But the cocking indicators didn't last too much past WWII. Sauer had planned to introduce a pop-out indicator at the 1937 German Hunting Exhibition, but pre-WWII examples haven't surfaced. But MEWA and Thalmann as well as Sauer Eckernford doubles did take advantage of the technology on post WWII models. Regarding the "clock-hand" indicators on doubles, I don't think they were used post WWI and with the drillings using a "clock-hand" indicator, or other cocking indicator, up to and possibly thru the mid 1930s.

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