doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com How Do You Close A SxS

Jack,
It has nothing to do with "pistol gripped assult weapons" in that case. With a rifle an accidental discharge with the rifle muzzle in an elevated position the bullet could travel for miles! I know of ranges where if they catch you closing the bolt on a rifle with the muzzle elevated you MIGHT get ONE warning then you will be asked to leave.

I was taught you had to be extra careful carrying a gun muzzle up because if you stumble or fall it's hard to control the muzzle.

BTW I am a certified 4-H rifle instructor, the training I received from 4-H made me eligible to be an NRA certified instructor.


Sam

What do they do if they catch you closing the bolt on a rifle with the muzzle pointed at the ground? At safe ranges, we close the bolt with the muzzle pointed downrange, not at our feet!

But we're talking about a loaded shotgun pointed toward the ground; it is a hazard to gun dogs as well as to hunters. A loaded shotgun pointed upward is a hazard only to birds.

If you are teaching your 4-H students to carry a loaded shotgun muzzle down in the field, I think you are dangerously mistaken.

I have never advocated pointing a gun at feet or anything else that is unsafe. You said "get those muzzles up in the air where they belong!"
And I have never heard a warning about pointing a gun at the ground at any range of any type, shotgun, rifle, indoor or outdoor.



You were the one that brought up rifles.



Unless you happen to trip and fall and then where is the muzzle pointed?



Well actually I'm the rifle instructor but the shotgun instructors feel the same way I do. There are time when muzzle up is the safest and times muzzle down is the safest. But neither method is best all the time.

I get the sideplate off a Smith by tapping on the grip frame; I get the sideplate off a Dan Wesson by removing the screws and lifting it off. I close my double shotguns [with the exception of the Charlin] by allowing spring assist to shoot the bolt. [I] "don't pull on Superman's cape. Don't spit in the wind. Don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger and don't mess around with Jim."

jack

Yeah= too bad the 'Jim' of that great song, Jim Croce is no longer with us-love his earthy stuff-he also did a bluesy-jazz song entitled "New York Is Not My Home"- a great song indeed!

On that we agree, RF.

I assume these people don't hunt with dogs. Hunting muzzle down with a loaded gun when dogs are out in front is stupid and dangerous. I shudder to think that any gun safety instructors could teach irresponsible cr@p like that to young hunters.

Any moron who hunted muzzle down when my dog was quartering in front of him would get a quick and unforgettable lesson about gun safety!

Quote:
"I get the sideplate off a Smith by tapping on the grip frame"

That's the way I've always done it too. However; I watched the S&W factory gunsmiths lever the sideplate off multiple revolvers including mine while I was sitting there watching them. Again; when I asked why they told me "Tapping takes too much time".
The whole point of this thread at least to me is what constitutes unecessary "abuse" to a firearm and takes me back to my original reason why I try to treat my older classics somewhat gently. Most are 75 to 100 years old with steel of varying quality and spare parts are difficult to obtain. Why then subject them to unecessary stress?
Ya wouldn't toss your grannie into the ring to take on Hulk Hogan would ya?
Jim

That's what your've doing when you ride the lever.

jOe:
Hopefully we can agree to disagree here. What you've stated above goes against what I believe is correct from a metalurigical perspective. I hope your own guns survive and you can continue to use them for many years to come.
Jim