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Re: Looks like we won one Jakearoo #100426 06/29/08 02:00 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 7,438 Arizona James M Sidelock
James M Sidelock Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 7,438 Arizona	Obama has stated repeatedly that he believes that individuals have the right to own guns. He will then turn right around and state that the government has the authority to impose "reasonable" restraints on this right. These are weasel words and from his extremely liberal point of view and his known voting record you and I would not have the right to own firearms from his point of view as that would be "unreasonable". Jim The 2nd Amendment IS an unalienable right.

Re: Looks like we won one Jakearoo #100436 06/29/08 07:00 AM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,015 Far from the libtards as I can... Dave K Sidelock
Dave K Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,015 Far from the libtards as I can...	"I actually read the opinion and the dissent. The thing that really troubles me is in the dissent. The four Justices conclude that there is no individual right to own a gun and that the Constitution only guarantees that right to State sponsored Militias. That leaves the real big issue somewhat open for another day. Imagine, a "free" state where a man (or woman) can not own a gun as a right!?" Jake Excatly what should scare everyone!!! We may have one a small victory but they,the liberal Dumbocrats,that even have some support here in our ranks (most alarming !)will not let this go they will wait till the most liberal Barack Hussien gets into power and we will have two choices,fight or turn them in. If there is any doubt in you mind where that lying empty suit Obama stand on the second amendment looks at how he voted NOT what he says as it means nothing ! http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=3991 FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1 FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2 FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3 FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2 FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4 FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5 FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6 FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case. FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7 FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8 FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9 FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10 FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11 FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12 FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13 FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2 FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14 FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9 FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9 FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9 FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9 Last edited by Dave K; 06/29/08 07:03 AM. Hillary For Prison 2018

Re: Looks like we won one Dave K #100438 06/29/08 07:19 AM
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,250 Glenthorne Woods Lowell Glenthorne Sidelock
Lowell Glenthorne Sidelock Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,250 Glenthorne Woods	The deal has been stuck - now if we can let sleeping dogs lie. No new challenges to the flower power places - they will be the lambs left to the slaughter. I've got mine, you get yours world.

Re: Looks like we won one Dave K #100439 06/29/08 07:20 AM
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,250 Glenthorne Woods Lowell Glenthorne Sidelock
Lowell Glenthorne Sidelock Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,250 Glenthorne Woods	The deal has been stuck - now if we can let sleeping dogs lie. No new challenges to the flower power places - they will be the lambs left to the slaughter. I've got mine, you get yours world.

Re: Looks like we won one Lowell Glenthorne #100445 06/29/08 08:20 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 916 Likes: 1 Keystone SD Gunflint Charlie Sidelock
Gunflint Charlie Sidelock Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 916 Likes: 1 Keystone SD	Only the most onerous local restrictions will be affected by the decision. It won't deter judges and others who believe the constitution should be defined by their idea of what serves the common good. But this is nonetheless a huge, landmark victory. Many who respect the framers' intent, and who previously accepted the prevailing media and politcal interpretation of a 2nd amendment state militia "right", will be persuaded by Scalia's opinion for the majority. And though few will read it, many who previously dismissed the idea of an individual right will accept that there's a reasonable basis for the majority decision and reconsider. Especially those who saw poor confused Leslie Stahl's recent 60 minutes interview with Scalia. As for a future liberal Supreme Court majority overturning this decision, I can't see it happening for many years. Most liberal legislators won't care as long as they still have ample power for restrictions. They love a political landscape that let's them propose gun restrictions and posture as crusaders for a better America. And as Lowell noted, the most liberal justices are in line to retire sooner than the conservative majority.

Re: Looks like we won one Gunflint Charlie #100461 06/29/08 10:43 AM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,015 Far from the libtards as I can... Dave K Sidelock
Dave K Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,015 Far from the libtards as I can...	Justice Anthony Kennedy (the deciding vote) is 72 Justice Stephen Breyer is 70 No spring chickens and the possibilty of a total takeover of the house,senate and presidency by the most liberal socialists in power is a real danger that should not be ignored. Last edited by Dave K; 06/29/08 12:24 PM. Hillary For Prison 2018

Re: Looks like we won one Tom Shaffer #100464 06/29/08 10:52 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 8,158 Likes: 114 Michigan Run With The Fox Sidelock
Run With The Fox Sidelock Joined: May 2008 Posts: 8,158 Likes: 114 Michigan	Tom-if I may here- After careful read and re-read of this thread-I will say that had the Supremes been 9-0 (or even 7-2- Ginsberg and Souter- shoot, Alfred E. Newman (mad magazine) would have made a better Justice than either of those idiots) we might all "breathe easier" but we won the first game in the World Series- still potentially 6 more to go- what scares me is Barracks Osama Bahama Mama winning with the "assistance" from De Clinton Camp- all politics is based on "promises and deals" so if First Bitch Hillary delivers and Osama "be de new Potus dere Andy" you can bet your favorite LeFever that he will appoint her for the next seat on the Supremes- and with her "clout" in the Senate and following by De Demmecrats- well "Katie Bar The Door" best case scenario, from where I see things- McCain picks Wayne LaPierre for his running mate, Wayne agrees- John "gets the big one while POTUS" and Wayne is our Commander In Chief- sorry for the gloom and doom, I don't really want McCain to "bite the dust"- I give him his dues for the 5 and a half years he was guest of Uncle Ho in the Hanoi Hilton- but this Osama/Hillary allegiance scares me-and Clintons are "bulletproof"- look at all the "flack" they brushed off while Ol'Slick Willie The Draft Dodger was POTUS-un-believable- end of my rant- but the "From Our Cold Dead Hands" should be our watchword guys. Last edited by Run With The Fox; 06/29/08 06:57 PM. "The field is the touchstone of the man"..

Re: Looks like we won one Run With The Fox #100470 06/29/08 11:26 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 142 S.E. Pa. GWP Sidelock
GWP Sidelock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 142 S.E. Pa.	Landmark victory for sure, but it belongs to Robert Levy who assembled the plaintiffs and funded the suit -- not the NRA who evidently opposed the suit (for good reasons) when it was first filed. This is not NRA bashing, they are already doing the right thing with that ammo Levy provided... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/17/AR2007031701055.html From Wikipedia: Quote: Non-party involvement This case featured involvement by groups for and against expanded gun rights. The National Rifle Association (NRA) was initially not supportive of the case because it feared it might not be successful. The NRA later reconciled with the plaintiffs. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence lobbied to have D.C. gun laws changed so the case would be moot and not eligible to be heard by the Supreme Court. [edit] Attorney Alan Gura, in a 2003 filing, used the term "sham litigation" to describe the NRA's attempts to have Parker (aka Heller) consolidated with its own case challenging the D.C. law. Gura also stated that "the NRA was adamant about not wanting the Supreme Court to hear the case".[35] These concerns were based on NRA lawyers' assessment that the justices at the time the case was filed might reach an unfavorable decision.[36] Cato Institute senior fellow Robert Levy, co-counsel to the Parker plaintiffs, has stated that the Parker plaintiffs "faced repeated attempts by the NRA to derail the litigation."[37] Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's chief executive officer, confirmed the NRA's misgivings. "There was a real dispute on our side among the constitutional scholars about whether there was a majority of justices on the Supreme Court who would support the Constitution as written," Mr. LaPierre said. Both Levy and LaPierre said the NRA and Mr. Levy's team were now on good terms.[38] Elaine McArdle wrote in the Harvard Law Bulletin: "If Parker is the long-awaited "clean" case, one reason may be that proponents of the individual-rights view of the Second Amendment—including the National Rifle Association, which filed an amicus brief in the case—have learned from earlier defeats, and crafted strategies to maximize the chances of Supreme Court review." The NRA did eventually support the litigation by filing an amicus brief with the Court arguing that the plaintiffs in Parker had standing to sue and that the D.C. ban was unconstitutional under the Second Amendment.[39] Chris Cox, executive director of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, had indicated support of federal legislation which would repeal the D.C. gun ban. Opponents of the legislation argued that this would have rendered the Parker case moot, and would have effectively eliminated the possibility that the case would be heard by the Supreme Court.

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