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Two marks on a recent "new2me" Tobin SxS 12GA prompt two questions.
This firearm is marked TOBIN ARMS (all capital letters - no geograhic location) on both lockplates, serial number is 191XX, and I believe was assembled by G.B. Crandall during the 1920s-30s and retailed from his Woodstock Ontario Canada gun shop.
Under the pull-off forearm both barrels exhibit what I believe is the barrel maker's mark - BTP (all capital letters). The T is taller than the B and P, and the horizontal bar of the T partially over-towers the B and P.
Who is the barrel maker BTP?
The barrel steel on top is marked - DE MOYA FLUID STEEL (all capital letters). Is "Tobin" the only maker who used this brand name of barrel steel, or does this marking show up on other marques?
With thanks in advance for any help.

Only DeMoya barrels I've ever seen were on Tobin guns

De Moya had an address in Liege. He had registered several trade names Acier De Moya, De Moya Fluid Steel & De Moya Fluss Stahl.
Jose De Moya, 297 rue St. Gilles, 1904.
http://damascus-barrels.com/Belgian_Trade_Marks.html

Who else he sold to or how long he was in business in Liege, I do not know. He filed a patent with the US Patent office in which he claims to live in Paris in 1905. The patent was granted in 1907.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=mRJRAAA...1&ct=result
An interesting patent. Where he is producing steel is an interesting question.

Pete

One of the Tobin catalogs or period ads states that the entire production of De Moya steel barrels had been spoken for by the Tobin company.

How much is hype, and how much is fact, I'm not sure of. My 16 gauge Tournament gun has unmarked barrels, as did my first 12, which was serial number 700. A different 12 was marked Krupp.
Best,
Ted

I have a Tobin , Highest catalog grade, that has two sets of De Moya fluid steel barrels. I have not seen the De Moya marks on other guns, but think that Tobin was not capable of using the entire De Moya production.

May we see pictures?

Silver, per your request, here's the Tobin Grade 60 with the two sets of De Moya Fluid steel barrels. The interior parts of the Grade 60 are silver or nickel plated.

Daryl,

Thank you for your pictures. Is Tobin a Belgian or French gun? Are they quality guns?
Serban
PS: sorry I couldn't meet you at the Polson shoot, I had to cancel due to surgery. I did not know if you got my message through the board or not.

Silver, I did not get your message.

The Tobin was made in the first few years of the 1900s in Norwich, Conn., and later in Woodstock , Ontario.

Daryl,
That is a gorgeous gun! I have to admit that Tobin made some fine guns. Thanks for sharing the pic.