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. Rich, Thanks for the information on the Lefever Collectors Association. May not be a collector piece, but should be a fun Upland Bird shooter over the Dog. Any other early Lefever half/grip 16's out there? ---- pics below. O-D ___________  ___________  ___________  ___________  ___________ 
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. A few more pics, direct sunlight makes the stock appear a bit lighter than it actually is. OD ___________  ___________  ___________  ___________ 
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It's a bit plainer than either of my 10,000 series E Grades. However, the stock is outrageous. I don't know because I don't have a lot of F Grades to compare it with. I have guns marked with both letters and don't know why they are marked that way. My 16 gauge #9,568 has a pretty fancy border engraved around the side plates and my 12 #10,130 has some pretty fancy screws and rosettes, but who knows? It is marked E so I guess it's an E. What a piece of English.
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For whatever it's worth I have an ejector 12ga marked F on the frame table & E on the bbls. It is a much higher SN than this one, of the single, large hook type #38025. The engraving on this one would appear to be F style for the era, as well as some other features. Bbls are Chain damascus. Back when I first acquired it I assumed the E was for the ejectors, but have since learned this was not common practise.
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Yeah, Miller, what is all this double grade marking (E and F) stuff. I have had some and have heard about many others. Maybe they marked the barrels when they were struck and then they got installed on guns of a different grade?? This gun obviously has more than a standard F Grade stock, but seems to have F Grade engraving.
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Sure looks like those three stocks came from the same piece of wood.
So many guns, so little time!
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They are the same piece of wood. Or is Builder just teasing us??
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. I found this old price list last night in Elliott's book that defines the early grades. One distinguishing factor between the "E" and "F" during this time period seems to be border engraving, the "E" had it, and the "F" did not. This 16ga Lefever #10598 has border engraving, it's not fancy, but it is there. I'll leave the rest to the experts who have seen more early Lefever's than myself. I don't remember seeing many discussions of (early) E's or F's here on the board, or in modern Gun publications. $100 was a good chunk of change$ in 1888-89, almost like $150 today!!!! O-D _____________ 
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On what page is that price list pictured? That really seems to tell the story. I don't remember ever running across printed matter that explained the plain character of early E Grades. This is it, I guess. My E Grade side cocker is also painfully plain.
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Bill, page #174 - Perhaps we've solved the early Lefever "E" & "F" mystery?
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