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Very nice! Do you hunt with it?


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Those are impressive!

Bolt rifles are starting to wear on me. In a good way. I like those.

I have a friend that is looking for a hunting rifle like them. He is slowly turning down the path of vintage guns. He is very young yet so he has a ways to go, but I understand his attraction to these rifles, though I've always wonder what is the function of a full length stock. On these, they certainly look great. Do they handle noticeably different than a more conventionally stocked bolt rifle?


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Brent,

I think Stutzen rifles first gained popularity for Alpine Hunting in the Tyrol and elsewhere.

Going back to muzzle-loading days I believe that they were often made with a steel shod butt so that with that and the full stock to the muzzle they could be used as a climbing aid.

They are supposed to have issues with grouping and holding their zeros, but fortunately my 9.5 Mannlicher-Schoenauer doesn’t seem to know that.

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Originally Posted by Parabola
Brent,

I think Stutzen rifles first gained popularity for Alpine Hunting in the Tyrol and elsewhere.

Going back to muzzle-loading days I believe that they were often made with a steel shod butt so that with that and the full stock to the muzzle they could be used as a climbing aid.

They are supposed to have issues with grouping and holding their zeros, but fortunately my 9.5 Mannlicher-Schoenauer doesn’t seem to know that.

I've never heard the climbing aid theory. I like it! Though I have some doubts about it too smile

I figure the full length wood is probably a hold over from muzzleloaders and thus, a fashion statement. But the utilitarian aspect of a climbing staff is novel to me.

A friend is looking for a left hand rifle preferably in 6.5 mm. That should be rare enough to keep him looking until his new born is out of college, and he will have the spare change. smile

The lines of your guns are certainly attractive. I don't say that often about bolt rifles.

Good luck with the hunting.


Edit- seems we lost the original photos and post. Parabola, perhaps you could post a pic or two of your 9.5 MS?

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Full length stocks are usually found on short rifles, not much use as a "bergstock".
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Brent, sorry about the poor photo quality. I will try to do a better one when we get a sunny day.

It is a 9.5 Model 1910 retailed by Watson Brothers in 1914. 2 owners since new.

The peep sight is a Parker-Hale Sportarget. After I had it fitted by Bailons I removed and kept the original back sight (100 standard and 300 folding leaf).

I had found a spare, removed the standard from that to clear the sight line and fitted that so it still has a folding leaf.

For stalking I have always used the P-H peep sight.

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Not classics but I've always had a soft spot for full stocked short rifles. Back in the 1960s I put one together in 6.5x55 on a 94 Swedish with all the usuals of the time like a Timney trigger, Buhler safety and a side mounted scope. It was one that didn't know about any accuracy problems with full stocks and accounted for mule deer and pronghorn antelope. It got traded off at some point but I'm sure it is still out there getting game. While I still had it, in the early 80s my local shop got in a big shipment of new Steyr Mannlichers with full stocks for the exorbitant price of $150. I picked out a nice one in 7x57 but my friend the manager said that since I had the 6.5x55 why not get something not so close like a 22-250. Made sense so I got one (which also had no problems with accuracy). Then, someone dropped another 22-250 off the rack and broke the stock at the wrist. Did I want the barreled action for $100? Sure, I was a sucker for the action by then and I had a friend who was a good stockmaker and I had a nice long blank I'd picked up at a show for $10. It was old and dusty and had German railroad shipping labels on it. I was also a sucker for European walnut by then. OK, I didn't really need two 22-250s so what could I do? I sent the unfired barreled action off to Snapp's to rebore to 250 Savage, of course. Rotary magazines for the 250? Not a problem, 22-250 ones eat them like candy. So now I had a nice light deer rifle full stocked in European walnut with a Niedner butt plate and a bullet trap in the stock (all a gift from my friend). Things were easy to come by back then. It is a pleasure to carry in the field with my favorite hunting scope, a Redfield Widefield 1 3/4x5 (last one I picked up for $50), and the deer never know what hits them. Oh, and then there is a full stocked small ring Mauser in 30-06 lightly engraved with spoon bolt handle and double sets that may be the most accurate rifle I have and for $145 how in the world could I resist? Yeah, full stocked rifles have an accuracy problem - they are too accurate!

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I really love full length stocks, but only have one myself. Mine is a Husqvarna Type 33A that I really love. A very long full octagon barrel in 9.5x47R which is close to a .38-55 and I use those cases to make my ammo.

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Vall,
You said the Husqvarna Type 33A is chambered for 9.5x47R, don't you mean it is chambered for 9.3x57R instead? The original length 38-55 case works fine for 9.3x57R, but it takes 11.15x60R Mauser, 45-70, or 40-65 cases to make 9.5x47R.
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