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Notwithstanding the nails, my first impression was cartridge box with loading as shown in the veritical shells as shown up and down. I think the bevel is to allow for the rims.
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Is it big enough to have once held a brace of pistols? Perhaps there are sign of other partitions in it at one time?
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Best Quality donut box.... I'm going with cookie box, looks like it might have had a false floor, really important if you don't want 'em squishing each other. It's got the handcut dovetails, but expedited appearing lid and floor? Maybe, someone's gramps made themselves up a neato box? Happy Thanksgiving all.
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If the bottom is nailed on it is unlikely to be a cartridge box of any kind. Nails would work loose... Agree. Good eye seeing that in the dovetails picture. My thought had been that the bottom would have been slotted into the sides if it were for carrying anything heavy. W Richards Liverpool was a fine maker... William Richards was the real deal. The auction house had this listed as a Westley Richards, which I knew better. I didn't know as much about W Richards, except that the name was used for Continental production guns, as you said, and that there was another British maker with the Richards name of good reputation.
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If the bottom is nailed on it is unlikely to be a cartridge box of any kind. Nails would work loose under the weight of the ammo. The ones I have seen are almost always made with dovetails, or finger joints for the more inexpensive cases.
W Richards Liverpool was a fine maker. Not to be confused with the multitude of continental junkers utilizing the Richards name to capitalize on Westley Richards’ reputation. William Richards was the real deal. Lloyd3 has a W. Richards boxlock ejector that is well above par. Nice long length of pull and the stock bent for a lefty, which, I once was. Having to shoot off the right shoulder has cured the lust I felt handling that old gun, but, you are correct, a fine gun maker, indeed. Best, Ted
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If it were a cartridge box, it should have straps and handles. My guess is that it may have displayed something that W. Richards sold, possibly not a gun, but gun related. Oak was probably. Used circa 1850 or so. I have a very fine W. Richards double rifle. Circa 1865, it is cased in mahogany,
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... My guess is that it may have displayed something that W. Richards sold, possibly not a gun, but gun related... , Exactly what I was thinking of doing. Just have to sort out what gun related things to put in there. it will certainly need to be used in the open position to show the label. Or I'll hide cookies and donuts in there...
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I reckon it is a cartridge box, with 49 in each half. Possibly used to top up the usual box that held 250.
They would all have been placed shot down, primer upwards for faster reloading by your loader.
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The problem with that is that finding those kinds of skilled tradesmen is not so easy in this epoch of cheap and disposable. I'm not even certain we have a real locksmith left in Baton Rouge. You may be pleasantly surprised. As long as there are landlords and last wills and testaments, there will be real locksmiths. And making an uncomplicated key from the age of steam was a bagatelle for the guy I went to. The lockworks on your box look to be of the same basic design and age as the one I had finagled.
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Is it possible there are pieces missing? Looks like trays may have rested on those ledger boards front and back. No idea what that would mean but they are there for some purpose.
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