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So what exactly were the features that you received when you bought the different graded Model 21’s.
Better wood? A steel grip cap? Custom stock dimensions? Is it written down anywhere?
Schwing is not so forthcoming Betcha Researcher knows.
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Idk, But I saw a Chrysler patterned upgrade last week, that was the first M21 I ever envied. That elaborate full coverage, scroll eliminated everything I ever disliked about the lines of a 21. And years back I had to have a 21 Duck. Lol.
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Bob, most of this is covered in 1955 and earlier large size catalogs. Round and straight wall receivers are restricted to Deluxe and Custom Built grade guns. These guns can also be identified from across the room, if in original finish, by their polishing and high gloss blue finish. Skeet and Trap finish guns usually exhibit better polishing than Field Grade guns, but it is not easy to identify unless the gun is new and unused. Custom stock dimensions were no cost with Custom Built and Deluxe grade guns, small extra cost with lower grades. Wood quality was a tossup in the lower grades.
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The only three Winchester catalogs I have that show the Model 21 DeLuxe are 1946, 1948 & 1950. All show a stock with checkered cheeks and the frame with the side profile. All three mention the rounded frame as an extra cost option, from $20 extra in the 1946 to $23.35 extra in the big February 2, 1950, Winchester catalog.
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After the mid fifties, (not sure of that date) the Trap Gun didn't have checkered cheeks. The Skeet Gun didn't have checkered cheeks even earlier, if ever.
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I just recently purchased a 20 gauge "Skeet" with straight grip and 28" WS1 and WS2 barrels. The serial number says late 40's but it has the Diamond checkered fore arm, so would that be 50's?
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In the July 1931 Winchester catalog the Model 21 was only offered in Standard Grade.
In the November 1932 Winchester catalog, after being acquired by the Olins at the end of 1931, the Model 21 was offered in Standard Grade (stock and forearm of standard grade walnut), the Tournament Grade (selected fancy grain walnut) and the Trap Grade (fine figured grain specially selected walnut). All three grades made in all three gauges. Also, 12-gauge Tournament and Trap Grades could be had with 32-inch ventilated rib barrels.
The 1933 Winchester catalog adds the Custom Built Grade in all three gauges with stocks said to be "specially selected fine figured fancy walnut." Also, the Model 21 Skeet Gun was added, offered in Tournament, Trap and Custom Built Grades.
By the 1934 Winchester catalog the vent rib 12-gauges were offered in 30- and 32-inch.
In the 1935 pocket catalog the Trap Grade Model 21 Skeet Gun with pistol grip stock is shown with checkered stock cheeks.
By the 1936 pocket catalog the Tournament Grade is gone and all the Trap Grades are shown with checkered stock cheeks.
1937 and 1938 pretty much the same.
By the 1939 catalogs the Trap Grade (all three gauges) is phasing out, replaced by the Trap Gun in 12-gauge only. Ventilated ribs are available on the 26-inch barrel Skeet Guns in all three gauges. The same in 1940.
The January 2, 1941, Winchester catalog adds the Model 21 Duck Gun.
By the 1948 Winchester catalog 28-inch ventilated rib barrels became available and 28-inch was now the standard length for the Model 21 Skeet Gun. Also the Trap Gun is shown without checkered stock cheeks.
The big 1950 Winchester catalog again shows the Model 21 Trap Gun with checkered stock cheeks.
What disconnect there may or may not have been between what the folks on the factory floor were doing and what the folks in the office were stating in the catalog is a whole other question.
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Sounds like a nice Skeet 21. How about a picture?
Someone correct me if I’m wrong. Diamond checkered forearms were indeed a product of the 50’s. Serial numbers being indicative of production dates is inconclusive as Receivers were completed and thrown in a bingo hopper to be drawn out and used in a random manner.
I believe the Winchester factory coined a new industry term for this procedure. Oh ya, “Willy Nilly”.
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PALUNC, what is the actual serial number of your 21 that you think is from the 40's? A 28" skeet from the 40's would be pretty scarce unless it is the late 40's.
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Mike Proctor
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