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bill schodlatz #49994 07/26/07 05:40 PM
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Does anyone have a recommendation for rib matting if Andy will no longer have access to his machinery?

Shoot straight,

Bird

erik meade #49997 07/26/07 05:50 PM
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Parris, et al:
My heart is heavy on learning that this story is true. Who knows what most men will do when faced with adverse circumstances. Some bite the bullet and stand tall. Some go under with dignity and start afresh. Some find expediency in bending the rules and shove their prior moral sense to the back burner and are found out. This last scenario never fails to harm many more than the man that fails himself. No greater pain can be inflicted on a friend,as well. We have so few that we truly trust and will go to bat for, when needed.
It was on your recommendation that I contacted Andy about restoring my somewhat rare Winchester.
I might offer some comfort to you. The Andy that you knew may not be the Andy that he became. You knew a talented and honest man. Take strength that you have our empathy in having lost the friend that you knew. Be gentle. We are all human and fail. Support the effort to make restitution and make amends. Perhaps the man is not lost.
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John


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John Mann #49998 07/26/07 06:00 PM
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Amen, john. Well said.

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If the Ponzi scheme tale is true, Andy isn't the first Gunsmith to go this route, and I am certain he won't be the last.

I had a simliar fraud perpetrated on me years back - the ATF was less than worthless - the State AG did offer some relief.

Best of luck to any that have been defrauded.


Mine's a tale that can't be told, my freedom I hold dear.


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I hope you all have proper bills of sale?
Handshakes and pat on the back deals, won't cut it with those guys.

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Might I suggest that if you have a firearm with the above you get a hold of your legal advisor and get a letter off to the State Attorney Generals office asap, Send a copy to your State Attorney Generals office. I would not wait, and make sure you send the letters registered return receipt.

Do it NOW!

Some States treat firearms as trash to be chopped.

Dave M. #50010 07/26/07 06:36 PM
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John:

Thank you for your words they mean a tremendous amount. At this point I'm feeling pretty raw given how close he and I were. I was one of the people who were in his corner for a very long time and now that trust has been betrayed. At this point I'm choosing my words very carefully.

Eric:

I was lucky in that I didn't have anything at the shop that hurts to much if it gets lost. But it's only through dumb luck at that. Thanks.

Parris J. George


GOOD SHOOTING! Parris George
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I've had friends not returning my calls....but they weren't sitting on bits and pieces of my gun either. After the second call, I'd be knocking on my friend's door.
The trouble really starts when the big black van rolls up to Andy's backdoor. Rare Winchesters, or crack dealer's Chinese assult rifle - its all the same - they're off the streets.

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Damn, Lowell.
Where is your humanity. I remember the time that I held your hand, through cyberspace, when you were facing a very difficult moment.
Now is not a time for outsiders to add pain.
Those directly affected have the floor on this matter.
John


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