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Hey, guys. Please take a look at this Purdey hammergun.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...r-in-pictures.cfm?gun_id=102241983#lg-18

See that mark on both tubes, just ahead of the flats (you can see it in the 18th pic, down toward the end). It's sort of a disc with an arrow through it.

Any idea what it is? A maker's mark?

Thanks,

OWD

Here's another one
https://www.hallowellco.com/james_purdey%20boxlock%20double%20rifle.htm



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I'm trying to find if that mark was for Landore Siemens Steel Co. or the Sample Steel Work but no luck as yet.
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/William_Siemens

Seems that there’s been a few guns offered for sale lately once owned by Billy Perdue

William Siemens was one of the Siemens brothers that emigrated to England, he was the brother that founded r the Siemens Electrical and Cable manufacturing companies. This continued up to the Great War then was sequestrated by the British Government, it was all Electrical manufacturing the steel manufacturing was the other brothers factories in Germany. William Siemens later became a British citizen dropping his first name Carl and the spelling Wilhelm becoming Sir William Siemens having a dedicated window in Westminster Abby after his death. Avery clever individual indeed, though I am biased because I worked for the German Siemens company for fifteen years tough the company does have a lot of skeletons in the cupboard with regard to WW2.

Man that is an ugly $22,000 gun. I know it is rare, but yikes. I know Purdey introduced/favoured steel earlier than the other London makers, but 1889 was fairly early for steel. Was Purdey known to source barrels from Siemens? Perhaps fo this quality level?

Still can't find that mark as Siemens'

P. Webley & Son began using Siemens steel barrels about 1880 and reported excellent results.

John Henry Walsh, The Modern Sportsman's Gun and Rifle: Including Game and Wildfowl Guns, Sporting and Match Rifles, and Revolvers, Volume 1, 1882
“Siemen’s Steel for Gun Barrels”
http://books.google.com/books?id=OLwUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA445&vq
A 13 bore Siemens barrel did not bulge until 19 1/4 Dram Black Powder with a 1 1/4 oz. ball.
Siemens then reported a tensile strength of 55,000 - 60,000; other sources list 62,700 psi. That would be similar to "cold-rolled decarbonized steel" and AISI 1020.

Shooting, Thomas de Grey Walsingham, Ralph Payne-Gallwey, Gerald Lascelles, Archibald John Stuart-Wortley, Simon Fraser Lovat, Charles Lennox Kerr, 1886
http://books.google.com/books?id=MT9NF4BnAFIC
‘Siemens’ steel barrels are fairly good and very trustworthy for cheap weapons, but the best now manufactured are known as ‘Whitworth fluid compressed steel,’ and are of excellent quality, though considerably more costly than are the ‘Siemens.’

I haven't found a specific reference to Purdey.