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This is excellent...



There are still some good values out there.

Lloyd,
Great video, thanks for sharing!
Karl

I am sure that anybody acquainted with Greener history knows that W Greener - the father of W W Greener - was never an advocate of the breech loader, remaining a staunch supporter of the muzzle loader. W Greener's son -WWG - was very much more progressive and promoted, as well as developed the breech loader system.

Yea, I caught that one too, but otherwise I thought it was a nice tour through all the options of these guns.

was www greener the inventor of the pump shotgun?

Even highest quality box locks struggle to bring big money at auction. Field grade ones bring no money at all. It cost much more to import them than to buy them. Hammer guns have bounced back lately and "pigeon guns" seem to bring excellent money but wild fowlers, which are the same basic gun just not as well finished bring just slightly more than regular box locks.

I watch all the TGS videos, he also does a good gun preview of Holts auctions, picking out a number of different interesting guns. A couple of which I later won and a couple he almost laughed at that I won as well and was pleasantly happy with. He has a "local viewpoint" and what is valued to locals is not exactly what we often value. Take box locks, they are bargain basement guns which if in decent shape are steals if you find them and bring them over here. But he does understand value and well made guns and if you listen to him you will see that some are really better than others by feature or less wear and tear. He also does mention many named guns were really made in the trade by just three or four makers, no matter what is engrave on the side. Like H&H Box lock which were a Birmingham gun that at best they finished or just shot and regulated.

Ed, that would be Christopher Miner Spencer.

The usual overemphasis on English guns cannot claim to be "everything" about boxlocks. The Beretta 6 series avoids the technical weaknesses of the Anson Deeley but gets no mention.

The solid cross pin of the Birmingham action and its minuses are left out. Considering how it impedes retightening and rebarreling it would be worth mentioning as a warning to prospective buyers.

A discussion on boxlocks that leaves out the French Robust and the AYA boxlocks is not giving the viewer-reader the full scope of the choices he has when looking for a good buy.

The show is for local needs. It meant as a treatise on all thing boxlocks. I think it does fairly point out that there is under appreciated value in a good box lock. He does not often get into other countries guns but does hold several of the guns from Japan in high regard. He also considers most American guns finished to a lower level which is true enough. Guns were built to a level that filled a need, no more, no less. And the box lock flooded the low end with sheer numbers and built to a lower standard because that was all the buyer was willing to pay. I often heard Uncle Dan would love to build the highest grade only but was forced to bring out a series of lesser grade guns to stay in business because that was what sold.

did wwww greener invent the auto loader?