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And not a sxs on site

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Could well be because most British .410 side by sides to be found these days are:-
a) 2 1/2” chambers
b) Only weigh about 4 1/2 pounds
c) Cost about 2-3 times the cost of a reasonable quality Italian over and under

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All excellent points, parabola. I came close to "pulling the trigger" on one this past spring but it's usefulness, because of those points you made, did not balance with it's price. It was a beauty in the hand, however.

Even the Brits seem to be moving towards Turkish guns more and more. Note that the three prizes awarded for the top three men's scores were most likely Turkish, two for certain: 2nd and 1st, and the Mossberg was most likely a Mossberg Reserve which is also a Turkish made O/U. I predicted nearly ten years ago that the world would become more and more accepting of Turkish guns as their quality continually improves. But, even I was surprised when I saw on the video how many were being shot that day.


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Looking at the price points of the First and Second Prizes I suspect that the Mossberg was a Model 500 .410 pump.

Nice to see Carlo Rizzini taking part. I much enjoy his .410 YouTube videos.

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Yes this was fun to watch. I suppose here in the U.S. we would have to be using 2 1/2" shells for any competition. Problem is I haven't seen any 3" 410 shells since before the covid craze.
Yes Carlos was shooting his Perazzi MX410.


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The white shells I saw being loaded into a gun looked to be 2 1/2", which is what i would expect them to be. Most .410 sporting courses I've shot need no more than 1/2 oz. shot to crush all the targets.

Mike, 3" shells could be used here for competition as long as the shoot was not a NSCA registered shoot.

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At current prices today, this 100 bird shoot would cost me $100 in 2 1/2" 410 shells. All the 2 1/2" shells I have been seeing in the stores are $25 a box.


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There are modern three inch guns available in sxs ask Stan he shoots them and I don't think that those guns Stan shoots are at the price point of new English sxs guns .now they need a 410 sxs championship

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Stan is right about most .410 courses being well covered with 1/2 ounce loads with any chokes worth using. I just shoot my 42's with full choke for everything and do not feel the least bit handicapped. I also use the same guns for the regular big bore course and do find that some of those targets stretch my range more than it would with a 12, but just a couple pellets will do the job and a chipped clay target does not fly off to suffer so I am happy to stretch my ability with a .410. Before you know it you will be breaking birds at 35 to almost 40 yards fairly consistently. The best thing about clay targets is they fly the same route every time, so you can learn from and correct your mistakes. Start breaking a bird at 25, then 30, then 35 yards will teach you a lot about shooting a small bore. Done in changes of two to three yards you can quickly learn as you go.

28 and .410 are great shells to reload and save a lot of money. I shoot a lot of .410 and have a Spolar reloading machine which cranks them out just a nice as factory shells for about $4.50/25 for .410 $5.20/25 for 28 gauge. I load 12 mostly to have all the varieties of shot and payload/pressure that I need but small gauge save me so much money that my machine has paid for itself many time over. Plus when loading .410 I know that I get 800 loads out of a single bag of shot. That makes the .410 my gas sipping, economy gun, that is fun to shoot and kills just about everything.

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