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Wow, BillK;

That is a beautiful gun. It must have been stunning when it was made.

Here are the pics:




















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[img]https://i.imgur.com/DWSIB3X.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/28vk7wa.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZbD4NO1.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/gDD9QaC.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/losfiLj.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/1uDC9PK.jpg[/img]

Not Twist. They are Bernard, but I can't confirm the grade.
Not "Rose pattern" Bernard II.

Strange...no proof marks at all. Wonder why?

there is another bernard barreled gun on gunsinternational....seller originally had two offered. seller doesn't favor us with many photos of the proofs, but you can clearly see that the barrel flats and tubes are marked in quite similar fashion to the subject gun.

so few guns seem to be marked by paris proofing that it makes comparisons difficult....but i seem to recall a comment (somewhere...) that many parisian guns bore no government proofs.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...ascus-barrels.cfm?gun_id=101662503#lg-15

best regards,

tom

Lovely long water-table. Looks like 1859?? Or is it 1880?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

1880.....

I just hate to use those small cellular device platforms. They are so restricting..... I couldn't full view the image till I access thru my laptop.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

We are so used to Saint-Etienne and their proof marks and have seen so few Paris guns from this time period that I was thinking that perhaps the Paris proof house didn't stamp their guns...which sort of negates the whole procedure.

The date of the barrels is definitely 1880. One of the other numbers either 25230 or 28943 is probably a Bernard number.

Here is a little clearer (enhanced) pic of 25230 number from photo Bill sent.



And Bill, for giggles, I would like clarification on the SNC? after Courier.

Edit, from the linked previous line on Bernard barrels from the Leopold Bernard table by "Wildcattle," 28943 from 1880 would be the Bernard SN: - he was making about 600 barrels a year plus or minus at the time:

24759 1873 Faure Lepage 608
25605 1874 Faure Lepage 647
27268 1877 677
29601 1881 584
30685 1882 Guyot 658

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Is WildCattle still with us?


>>Re: the #1 in 1832.
Of course I don't have that (I wish).
I know he started in 1832, so I made a leap of faith that he started at #1. Could be 100 or 1000. 1000 could work as it is pretty linear.
That would reduce the first averages to the 200's.
It is also interesting to see the evolution of makers during that time, BTW. Note the absence of Gastine who might have made their own barrels.
WC-<<


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Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Haven't heard from him for several years. I hope he didn't get burnt out by the fires in California the last few years. He was always swamped with work on the ranch. I asked him in the English/French gun term vocabulary line if he should be called "swamped cattle," "bovine de la marais"? He replied ""Bétail enlisé".

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