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Are there any 12 bore 2.5" alternatives to RST shells aside from reloading? Many thanks...

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You can bring back “some” ammunition in your checked bag from the UK.

RST was the only dependable source I have seen for some time.

I gave away a few cases at double done shoots, thinking it would be a good fundraiser.

The winners didn’t even know what the heck it was they had won. And the people who needed it were too cheap to buy tickets for the raffle.

Good luck finding appropriate ammunition stateside.


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Don't know if this fits your definition of low pressure, but Kent have these in 2.5":

https://kentcartridge.com/us/shotshell/elite-low-recoil-training

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Those short Kents are real popular with the old fart target shooters around here. I have a flat but I'm not old enough to shoot them yet.

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Try William Larkin and Moore in Scottsdale


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Check old threads here, I was able to purchase some B&P comp 1 oz. low pressure 2 3/4" from a site recommended here which I use in some of my older doubles.


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I haven't found 2 1/2" Kent Elite shells anywhere
https://ammoseek.com/ammo/12-gauge/Kent-shotgun?sl=2%201%2F2

Natchez Shooting Supply is out of the 7/8 oz. and 1 oz. B&P, but keep watching. I purchased a case of the 7/8 oz. from them last fall.

William Larkin Moore's supplier here in Phoenix has been unable to source components and they have had no shells for quite some time

The Fiocchi 7/8 oz. Training Loads are also unavailable. They have a Shooting Dynamics 7/8 oz load but it is 1350 fps

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I have two 10 box cases I bought years ago from Midway. They are Federal Vintage Gold Metal 12 guage 7/8 oz #7-1/2. Never shot them.Anyone familar with them.

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2 1/2" shells, as far as I know, are all CIP approved. In 12ga, that means a maximum service pressure of 10,730 psi compared to our American SAAMI standard of 11,500.

But here's the rest of the story: Many of the foreign lead loads available in this country (when they're available!) are hunting vs target loads. Heavier shot charges and more velocity (meaning more recoil) than you may want, particularly for target shooting. RST's 2 1/2" shells, as well as being low pressure, are mostly modest velocity and lighter shot charges. So lower recoil.

Nontoxic loads for vintage guns are another topic. British shotshell makers offer steel loads which are approved for use in "standard proof" (previously marked 850 bar, now marked STD) shotguns. But they have less velocity and are restricted to smaller shot sizes than are steel loads for guns that have passed steel shot proof. And I don't know if they're available in the States (or will be when the supply chain is actually working). If I were looking for nontox loads to use in vintage guns, I'd probably look at Kent's Tungsten Matrix loads. I have a few boxes of those in case I choose to use my 120 year old William Evans for pheasants where nontox is required. They're as good as lead. Shot charge is relatively light (1 1/16 oz), which is OK for me as long as I don't try really long shots.

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Originally Posted by L. Brown
2 1/2" shells, as far as I know, are all CIP approved. In 12ga, that means a maximum service pressure of 10,730 psi compared to our American SAAMI standard of 11,500.

But here's the rest of the story: Many of the foreign lead loads available in this country (when they're available!) are hunting vs target loads. Heavier shot charges and more velocity (meaning more recoil) than you may want, particularly for target shooting. RST's 2 1/2" shells, as well as being low pressure, are mostly modest velocity and lighter shot charges. So lower recoil.

Nontoxic loads for vintage guns are another topic. British shotshell makers offer steel loads which are approved for use in "standard proof" (previously marked 850 bar, now marked STD) shotguns. But they have less velocity and are restricted to smaller shot sizes than are steel loads for guns that have passed steel shot proof. And I don't know if they're available in the States (or will be when the supply chain is actually working). If I were looking for nontox loads to use in vintage guns, I'd probably look at Kent's Tungsten Matrix loads. I have a few boxes of those in case I choose to use my 120 year old William Evans for pheasants where nontox is required. They're as good as lead. Shot charge is relatively light (1 1/16 oz), which is OK for me as long as I don't try really long shots.

I've got a bunch of TM in both 12 and 16 but it's all heavier waterfowl loads. Nothing I want to shoot out of an old gun. A few years ago I pulled apart a bunch of TM #6 and a friend reloaded the shot into some nice 1 oz low pressure loads. I'm just not shooting at ducks enough.


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