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Just for grins oc. If we must split hairs, I am bothered by the daily barage from the antis all over this fine country, which is what after all we are celebrating with these fireworks. But, tolerance in the US today takes us to yet another hard dividing line. Tolerance gets us absolutely no where.

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No offense taken Craig, the tolerance I spoke of is of fireworks.


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Originally Posted by old colonel
Fireworks are fundamentally different from firearms. The right to be arms exists in our constitution for a well thought out purpose.

There are many rights we have as Americans that sometimes infringe on others' little Utopias. I have a neighbor who is attempting to protect his large (60 acre) sunflower field from deer predation by using LP gas cannons, which go off every few minutes all night, and are exceedingly loud, much more so than any of the very large fireworks displays I fired off Saturday night. I can lie in bed and hear those cannons. I could complain about them but I wouldn't dare. I am grateful for all those who have sacrificed their lives to protect our way of life, and our freedoms, one of which is celebrating those freedoms on July 4th. And I respect my neighbor's rights to protect his property. The tolerance you speak of can be used for good, or misused for evil. Being tolerant of other's rights is a good thing. Tolerance of evil only drags us down.


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The main problem with fireworks is that if they're too close to you and your dogs, they can end up being gunshy. I live right across the road from a large lake. No close neighbors. Many of those who live along the shore shoot fireworks over the lake. A few years ago, one of them must've had one head in the wrong direction. Exploded pretty close to our house. (Kind of dangerous from a potential fire hazard, because we're surrounded by trees.) Ever since then, my setter--who was never spooked by thunder before that--became very nervous. Fortunately, did not carry over to hunting. But I'm glad he was an old veteran and not a pup.

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Owning bird dogs I do not like fireworks at all.

IMO shooting off fireworks in a residential neighborhood is just stupid - as others have pointed out potentially very dangerous to your neighbors in a residential neighborhood.

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I just follow the lead of our first Vice President John Adams concerning our Independence:

"I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with Pomp and Parade, with Shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires and Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from this Time forward forever more."

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Those who live in areas where fireworks are a nuisance have the right to work to change their local ordinances. If the majority want to change the law it can be done, by voting..

If there isn't a majority who want the ordinance changed there is another alternative .........live somewhere else where the ordinances suit them better.


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Have never seen such ordnances put to the vote of the electorate. Ditto with noisy music concerts.

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One of the problems is that there are ordinances in place, but are rarely ever enforced. A problem in our area isn't the 4th of July, which you can prepare for, but the random shooting off of fireworks from Memorial day through Labor day. Having a 15 week old pointer we were very prepared for the events of the 4th. What stung us was taking him outside around 7 pm on July 3rd when about a half block away someone started having their celebrations early and launched a series of large mortars. It took us several minutes to get the puppy back out from under the deck, finally coaxed him out with a treat.

May or may not have ruined him for life. Going to keep him away from all loud noises the best we can for the next couple months until we simultaneously introduce him to birds and primer pops this fall when he is at 6 months old. Will have to take it real slow with him.

When things were really going on the 4th I sat with him all evening inside making sure he was distracted with a chew toy or whatever. With a few of the biggest booms he would look up at the patio door, but went back to chewing after a few seconds. Didn't attempt to get up and hide or start whining at the noise. Hopefully it's a sign that he wasn't too scared from the night before.


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Originally Posted by Hal
Have never seen such ordnances put to the vote of the electorate. Ditto with noisy music concerts.


You vote the politicians out of office that pass ordinances you disagree with. I thought that was understood. My bad.

The only ones that can't be gotten rid of are the judges.


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