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Gene,
Close to the top of my list of guns I should never have sold is a little E.M. Reilly Damascus Barrelled early A and D (single hook lump, round cocking levers, top doll head bite only) 20 bore double.
I later found out that Edwinson Green had converted it to Ejector in the 1930’s when it was about 50 years old.
I just hope that its later custodians made better use of it than I would have done.

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Interesting sounding gun Parabola. Do you happen to recall the serial number?

Not to divert another line to my history but this .410 SxS side lever hammer gun is the one Reilly I should have gone after. SN was 25851, early 1884. I seem to recall 28" barrels.

https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/shotguns/reilly-em/hammer/410-gauge/side-lever-180723174108286
Beautifully scaled little 410 hammer-gun ( collectors piece ), reproofed 2007 and very rarely fired since ! bores in particularly good condition , unusual to find a 410 with Damascus barrels -- top rib reads E M Reilly & Co 16 New Oxford Street, London & RUE SCRIBE PARIS . metric bore measurement 10.50mm in both tubes and estimated chokes LH 1/4 RH 1/8 with the chambers being 2 1/2"


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Originally Posted by Drew Hause
Understood gentlemen, but I think we need to grant Parker Bros. some jounalistic license regarding their small bore marketing campaign.

No Preacher, we don't "need to grant Parker Bros. some jounalistic license regarding their small bore marketing campaign."

The "advent of the small bore gun" happened long before Parker Bros. Gun Co. was founded in 1867. To suggest that they were responsible for the birth of small bore shotguns is totally incorrect. It is the same sort of false and misleading information as your assertions that small bore Ithaca Flues guns and Fox guns have some factory design defect that makes them prone to frame cracking.

We have quite enough Fake News in our world without bringing it to the Doublegunshop forum too. Before Parker Bros. existed, there were pinfire shotguns and shells produced in 16, 18, 20, 24, and 28 gauge. There were even .360 bore pinfire shotguns. Small bore guns were in use long before there were self-contained cartridges. There were small bore flintlock fowlers, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that there were small bore wheellocks and matchlock guns preceding those. Here's a pic of a .410 pinfire shell, circa 1857.

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I must assume your hatred blinded you to the QUOTATION MARKS in the title of this thread William.
The " " indicates the title of the pamphlet published by Parker Bros., which I thought some here would find interesting, along with Parker's marketing of small bore guns.

But let me help.
If for instance your double gun maker of interest published an ad which states "The Finest Gun In The World" (Breeder & Sportsman 9-24-1892), the quotation marks indicate this was an assertion by Lefever, not the person providing the quotation.

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Likewise, Parker Bros. claimed to be the "Best Gun Made" in 1893 (note the quotation marks), which does not mean they were

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At least Fox had the journalistic integrity to put their claim in quotation marks smile

October 7, 1905 Sporting Life
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/36558/rec/1

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More on the small bore gun; from Capt. Charles Askins' and E.M. Sweeley's “Ballistics of the Shotgun” series in Outdoor Life
June, 1921 “Killing Range of the 20 Gauge”
https://archive.org/details/sim_outdoor-life_1921-06_47_6/page/386/mode/2up

January 1923 “Developing A Duck Load In The 20 Bore”
https://archive.org/details/sim_outdoor-life_1923-01_51_1/page/30/mode/2up

February. “Duck Loads in the 20 Bore II”
https://archive.org/details/sim_outdoor-life_1923-02_51_2/page/112/mode/2up

August 1922, “20 & 28 Gauge Pressures and Velocities”
https://archive.org/details/sim_outdoor-life_1922-08_50_2/page/120/mode/2up

20 gauge with DuPont Bulk. Plus 10 - 14%
7/8 oz.
2 1/4 Dr. Eq. = 10,550 psi
2 1/2 Dr. Eq. = 11,715 psi
1 oz.
2 1/4 Dr. Eq. = 12,029 psi
2 1/2 Dr. Eq. = 13,373 psi

28 gauge
5/8 oz. 2 Dr. Eq. = 8,714 psi
3/4 oz. 2 Dr. Eq. = 10,259 psi
3/4 oz. 2 1/8 Dr. Eq. = 10,998 psi
7/8 oz. 2 Dr. Eq. = 12,387 psi

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Outdoor Life July 1923 “Progressive Powders in the 20 Bore”
https://archive.org/details/sim_outdoor-life_1923-07_52_1/page/52/mode/2up
DuPont No. 93 Progressive Burning Powder (which became DuPont Oval) in the 20g Super-X 1 oz. load with No. 7 1/2 shot 9,184 psi;
No. 8 shot = 9856 psi + 10-14%

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