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Chantry: Thankyou for that! I was hoping that would ultimately be the case but... your first-hand experience and insight here sounds spot-on and is very much appreciated.

Another question for the hammered-gun crowd here: twist and/or even skelp-barreled guns...any concerns here as-compared to true English-best Damascus? I know the laminated-steel tubes produced later in the era (1890s) were of comparable strength to true-Damascus. Does that also apply to the earlier and perhaps more-affordable (mostly-unadorned guns with fairly plain wood and zero engraving) being produced...let's say in the early/middle 1880s by smaller (& largely-unknown) provincial makers?

Also, I remember hearing (or reading somewhere) that in some of the very early break-action guns, the chambers can be thinner than what became the average, due the the planned use of "perfects" which were the drawn-brass shotgun shells of the period. Some of those guns reportedly need truly low-pressure shells (down in the 6,000 psi range) for safe & regular operation. Is that accurate?

Damascus: That violin-cased gun is over-the-top cool(!) as is the thumb-lever Purdey!

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Re twist vs Damascus, my Brummie hammer gun has twist barrels, so I had wondered about that same question. Can't cite the source, but I remember reading some reports of Brit proof testing back in the day that demonstrated quality twist barrels were as strong as Damascus. Might have something on the other computer, but that is 100 miles from here. Can look when I get back.

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"but without rushing, I can probably reload..in under 2 seconds ..." .....er, ahem ??

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Originally Posted by greener4me
"but without rushing, I can probably reload..in under 2 seconds ..." .....er, ahem ??

Ok, maybe 3 or 4 seconds, but still not much slower than a double with only extractors


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Damascus,,..i have two greener a&d action guns marked brazier under the bottom plate one 19000 number 1878,79 the other is 8 or 10 years newer it made me wonder if greener ever bothered to,make a&d action guns in house .

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A humble “Hello” and a first post.

I was bit by the hammergun and S/S bug about 30 years ago. Picked up a few examples, a few of which are still in my possession. Hunted quail behind pointers mostly. Children, baseball, aging dogs...put it on the back burner for a bit. Kids are grown, we have a 9 week old GSP, and I’m ready to pick up where I left off. This time with a few sons to enjoy it all with.

Anyhow, a very working quality H. Clarke & Sons 16ga. Sleeved, reproofed for nitro with a box of Eley I acquired when I first got it many years ago. Many memories attached and hopefully more to come.

I appreciate all the fine pics and shared camaraderie.

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Nice gun I used some of those shells in 12 ga. Chasing chucker with my wc Scott side lock

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Sorry - not paying attention.
Re: pattern welded strength, a detailed summary of the Birmingham Proof House Trial Report of 1891 is here, along with actual tensile testing of pattern welded barrels
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cvqRzkg0wEjhAAcFWr8gFi7aPFRsSIJ_hahfDxmrNAU/edit

Vintage barrel steel strength
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dnRLZgcuHfx7uFOHvHCUGnGFiLiset-DTTEK8OtPYVA/edit

Damascus quality is best assessed based on the overall quality of the gun
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YJxP1k3PzmtmrG1HEGxd8X6g0-1GL0KNY8WMIMkdKr0/edit

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Those Eley cartridges in that box are 1960's vintage. Clarke of Leicester in England in business until 1955. I have a single 28 bore made by them around the turn of the century. Living only about 40 miles or so north of Leicester I come across examples from time to time. Nice clean gun and welcome. Lagopus.....

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Welcome to the forum, Entropy, nice gun.

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