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Originally Posted by FlyChamps
Originally Posted by Der Ami
For a while, dealers were allowed to cite a valid "carry permit" as proof of background check. Mike

It depends on the state issuing the "carry permit" plus the "carry permit" will only replace the NICS background check in the state of issuance. Your location shows Alabama and Alabama permits are not a qualifying permit and out-of-state permits (even if qualifying in their state of issue) cannot replace a NICS background check.

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I live in KY and the laws are pretty pro-Carry here, with the legislature trying for even more liberal rules on open carry. This is considered more controversial here than CDW due to the "freak-out" potential. As I understand KY's position, they went to accepting a CDW as background when they adopted a system of automated monthly checks of their permit holders.

I am surprised that we don't have more permit holders here than we do. According to state records we have over 500,000 permits for a total population of 3.5MM. A lot of people seem to have dropped them or simply carry without a permit, which is legal if concealed and not visible. I keep mine due to travel and purchsae ease. One thing of note is that KY has a Concealed Carry Deadly weapon permit, not CCW, and allows carry of an entire range of defined items:

(4) "Deadly weapon" means any of the following:

(a) A weapon of mass destruction;
(b) Any weapon from which a shot, readily capable of producing death or
other serious physical injury, may be discharged;
(c) Any knife other than an ordinary pocket knife or hunting knife;
(d) Billy, nightstick, or club;
(e) Blackjack or slapjack;
(f) Nunchaku karate sticks;
(g) Shuriken or death star; or
(h) Artificial knuckles made from metal, plastic, or other similar hard material

I suspect these would cause heartburn in a lot of concealed carry states, so I would hesitate to carry these into other states. It does however make it possible to buy such items as automatic knives (switchblades) extensable police batons etc in authorized dealerships catering to law enforcement.

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I like the “weapon of mass destruction”. Would that be a hand grenade or small tactical nuke? Asking for a friend. KY is a gun friendly state, Maryland, where I lived for several decades is not. Getting a CCW permit was not easy 40 years ago. Most found it easier to become a deputy axillary sheriff and get one issued by the sheriff than go through the State Police for approval. It was basically a shall not issue system, instead of a shall issue system. Wonder if that has changed? Not that I intend to move back there while living.

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I laughed when I saw that, but after thinking about it, it along with the other designated items, would allow any Class 3 or NFA device to be caried.

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To rephrase a statement by Clint Smith, "The purpose of a pistol is to fight your way to the nearest shotgun (Clint said "rifle"), which you should have never put down".

I am first and foremost a shotgunner. I feel the most secure when I am near my SXP, but my 1911 gives me much security when I can't be near the 12 gauge.


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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
To rephrase a statement by Clint Smith, "The purpose of a pistol is to fight your way to the nearest shotgun (Clint said "rifle"), which you should have never put down".

I am first and foremost a shotgunner. I feel the most secure when I am near my SXP, but my 1911 gives me much security when I can't be near the 12 gauge.

Rule #1 of gunfighting, is, “Have a gun”.

You are covered. Remember when the Korean store owners in LA got laughed at for having 30” full choke pump hunting shotguns on the roof of their shops to defend them?

The laughing seemed to stop after the first load of buckshot went down the pipe.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
....Rule #1 of [most anything nowadays], is, “Have a gun”....

For a little spin on it, that's why of a pocket .380, way more have, than not have. What ever the choice, try to resist that inner voice that says, I don't need the practice, lots of it. Around the house, it's been the same cheapie pump with a short slug barrel on it, for getting close to forty years. Probably, the best part is there's a bunch of other toys and tools options.

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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
To rephrase a statement by Clint Smith, "The purpose of a pistol is to fight your way to the nearest shotgun (Clint said "rifle"), which you should have never put down".

I am first and foremost a shotgunner. I feel the most secure when I am near my SXP, but my 1911 gives me much security when I can't be near the 12 gauge.
I think that was one of Coopers's original rules of gunfighting.

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I've moved to tuned revolvers while I look for the shotgun. My arthritis makes the slide on the Colt Series 70 that I carried for years difficult.

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What is the situation for those who travel south to attend the Southern Side by Side in North Carolina? Is a loaded handgun in a car legal in Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, or North Carolina ? I find it difficult to blend the posted regulations into an understandable concept.

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Originally Posted by AGS
Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
To rephrase a statement by Clint Smith, "The purpose of a pistol is to fight your way to the nearest shotgun (Clint said "rifle"), which you should have never put down".

I am first and foremost a shotgunner. I feel the most secure when I am near my SXP, but my 1911 gives me much security when I can't be near the 12 gauge.
I think that was one of Coopers's original rules of gunfighting.

That was who I had remembered said it too, AGS. But, when I did a search on it to make sure I quoted it right I found it credited to Clint Smith, who I believe was a student of Cooper's.


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