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https://www.liveauctioneers.com/ite...barrelled-pinfire-sporting-gun-by-manton

A 20-BORE DOUBLE BARRELLED PINFIRE SPORTING GUN BY MANTON, 29.25inch sighted damascus barrels, border and scroll engraved rotary under lever action signed MATON, half stocked with chequered fore-end and wrist, border and scroll engraved steel mounts, serial no. 6324.

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Pretty gun but, according to what I've been led to believe, not a true Joe Manton gun. If I am incorrect in believing that Joseph Manton guns are always marked "Joseph Manton" or "J Manton" I would appreciate correction.


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Joseph Manton died in. 1835. He went bankrupt in 1826 and Lang bought his gun inventory at that time. He was released from debtors prison in 1831 and went into business with his son making guns. After his death in 1835 the business persisted for several years. But I don’t recall much in guns made after 1838. There were multiple attempts to cash in on the Manton name by others for a very long time. Many guns made for export to India were marked Manton of various versions of the name.

In many ways this is like the Belgian Barkers, Parker’s, W. Richard not to be confused with the legit WRichards in GB, who was a real gunsmith, not a fake cashing in on a more famous namesake.

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Still a nice looking gun though! Lagopus.....

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This would be John Manton & Sons of Dover Street, London. the company operated for many years through the 1840's, 50's, 60's. John Manton was one of the few gunmakers stamping bore sizes before they were required (Greener and Reilly being two others). He signed the famous open letter in the field in March 1858 supporting the reopening of the Military trials in favor of the Prince Patent breech loader.

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John was Joseph's brother. He died in 1834. The firm must have afterwards been run by his sons. IGC will have the history but I do not frequent that site after certain unpleasantness. Lagopus will know. We had a line discussing Manton & Co. in Calcutta once. (Lots of bad info available on the internet I understand).

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I brought forwards an old 2007 thread which should shed a bit more light on this gun. Seems their not best grade just got Manton on the side. Kind of like Fox creating the Sterlingworth company so the basic graded did not distract from his higher grades. Interesting how things sometimes work.

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There's this line too.
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...p;Board=1&main=28689&type=thread

But I'm trying to figure out who ran the company in the 1840's, 50's and 60's. There are advertisements in London papers for Manton center break guns.

Exhibitors at the 1862 London Exposition - Manton showed muzzle loading rifles and "a few breech loaders" (Pinfires no doubt)

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Referencing the DHL Back book the Mantons 1782-1878 it lists serial number 6324 as a double barrel 17 bore Flintlock originally made in 1817 (p43)

If this is the same gun it is a significant conversion. While the book describes cases of conversion from flintlock to pinfire by Westley Richard’s (p 113, p 121). Further given the details in the book on the gun, I.e. 28 inch barrels, I doubt it is the same gun described.

Unfortunately neither the book or its supplement discusses in detail with pictures flintlock to pinfire conversions.


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From the shape of the trigger guard bow and the triggers, I would have said conversion of an early percussion gun as a first guess, but without seeing the gun up close, impossible to tell. In any case, a desirable piece, and unusual gauge. I would certainly like to know more.

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The point is....Someone was making new John Manton guns with a new serial number series in the 1850's and 60's and this does not seem to be covered by the Manton book. There is a hole in gun scholarship here it would seem.

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