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The gun in question has a serial number 130456, does anyone have access to manufacturing dates for this model?

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According to the serial number chronology Charles Semmer constructed from surviving shipping records for his book Remington Double Shotguns, 130456 would be a 1904 vintage gun. To date no surviving production records for Remington Hammerless Doubles have been found.

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Thanks for the great help.

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As long as we are talking Remington Hammerless Doubles, I'm beginning to have some questions on the Charles Semmer serial number chronology. He showed serial numbers up to 141194. In a lifetime of recording observed Remington doubles I've got a good spread from 100033 to 139928, then five Krupp barrel guns from 140667 to 140678. Anyone have any other guns in the 140xxx and 141xxx range?

I'm talking the A- to EEO-Grades in the 100000 serial number range. Not the K- to KED-Grades in the 300000 range and the handful of Specials in the 400000 range

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Researcher,

Per your observed serials question, no.

My observed range isn't as good as yours... #100,154 - #139,146, including 21 DE's and 20 EE's. I recall a post by a member on the PGCA forum a while back who asserted that shortly before his passing, Semmer had noted a total of 41 DE's and 44 EE's. Not sure how that compares to what he'd seen at the time he wrote the book.

I have never seen a "Special."

NDG

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FWIW my count is at 32 D-quality and 24 E-quality. If I count the Krupp barrel guns in the 1406xx range as D-quality there could be a couple more.

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I measured one with Bernard barrels today at 2 3/4" to the bottom of the rim recess and was .095" at the juncture of the chamber and the cone. Wall thickness was very adequate at 9" and at 15".

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Thanks for posting that information Dean. Assuming the gun was a 12g, the end-of-the-chamber wall thickness is a bit surprising. How long were the forcing cones? I've measured a few vintage doubles with lengthened cones and it appears that frequently the chamber gets lengthened (as part of the cone lengthening alone) slightly. I have a Smith with lengthened cones that now has 3 1/4" chambers frown
The ONE damascus 12g Remington 1894 I've measured had 2 5/8" chambers, about 3/4" cones and end-of-chamber wall thicknesses of .107". 9" from breech was .058".

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Drew, it is a 12 gauge and the cone was more or less a “stepped” affair like we often see on early guns made to shoot brass shells. I think it was only about .006” or so.

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No, Remington chambers aren't stepped. I had one Parker 10ga lifter with 2 5/8" chambers that was stepped. Back in the day Damascus barrels were considered stronger than steel barrels that were butt welded from breech to muzzle. Remington also use to advertise all their shotguns were proof tested with nitro powders to be safe, and this meant Damascus barrels. I have at this time a 73, 82, 89, and six 94s. I have never measured, or worried about chamber lengths. All of them are Damascus except three of the 94 F grade Trap guns. They all get shot with 2 3/4" shells with no problems. And no, unlike Drew, none of them have been checked by a gunsmith or barrel walls measured. I pretty much do my own gun smithing [ except redoing bluing or Damascus barrels ] so feel confident in judging guns.

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