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Len was the best, not very PC and no real interest becoming PC. I liked him quite a bit and took several classes from him. A real character that is for sure. I ended up going to school at TSJC right after he retired from full time teaching but got to know him through summer classes and when he would stop by our classes to chat. I miss him too.


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Leonard was London trained he did a double apprenticeship gun work and machine he was a nco jungle fighter in Malaysia he went to Kenya worked for Shaw and Hunter and after independence the name was changed kenya bundeki he was a policeman in Kenya and shot on there Olympic teams I think in mexico and im not sure Munich or japan and he worked for Holland and Holland and passed on gunsmith skill for over 20 years now that a life

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He was a character and one of a kind

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Originally Posted by mc
So defensive ,Len was working at Holland and Holland at the time and if you did something substandard you were told to do it to Holland's standards .not cogswell and harrison.

Ya. I get it. It was a joke.

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mc said "The Beretta has the a&d beat on every point except soul and a human touch"

on this you are dead wrong. I have been to the Beretta factory several times and have pics of stages of the 626 manufacture. The ribs were laid by hand, by one man. The barrels were hand fitted to the action, by a small group of specialised fitters, some of them ladies, working in a well lit, well ventilated space that puts the English workshops I visited to shame.

Each stage of machining is hand checked on sophisticated measuring tools. Parts hardness is tested on modern apparatus.

If you wanted more soul you could have it sent down the road (literallyl) and have a world class engraver hand touch the engraving. And on to Valeriano to have the stock tailored to your precise dimensions and tastes. And all this can happen in one day and cost a couple of hundred Euro.

I did not do any of the above. I "invested" in a British boxlock that has done plenty for the soul of my gunsmith but nil for mine. That lesson was not enough, I repeated it with an Italian bespoke Anson-Deeley SXS which is just as finicky, but at least the Italian maker sends me parts, usually free of charge.

Has any English maker ever offered a replacement V spring for one of his guns free of charge? I would love to know who and when.

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I have had the best luck with the English guns I have a Scott Monte Carlo B, George grahm, Scott m400. I have had them over 20 years mabey 25 I haven't had any problems I shoot the grahm the most and use it for everthing doves quail pheasants and a grouse hunt in canada sorry about your bad luck

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Shotgun lover you are welcome to like what you like. I shoot Beretta at times. But by your logic the worst thing you could own is a London Best Sidelock.

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Maybe some people just don't like England or English stuff?

To quote Jonny Carter from the YouTube video at the start of this thread, “These things [W&S boxlocks] are quintessentially English, if you love England and English stuff, how can you be without one of these in your life?”

Exactly!! He sold me, Ha! Ha!


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Dustin,
I don’t know production numbers for 400 versus 700 guns, and probably worded that wrong. You find far more 700s, here, in the US than 400s. The 400s I’ve seen were better looking guns.

Seen two 700s with a broken tumbler/striker. A 16 and a 12. Actually, didn’t witness either, just felt the wrath of the owners, who both lost use of the guns for that season. Some of the areas I hunt are populated with unsavory characters, and, at least for day or weekend trips, I don’t bring a backup gun. Got out of that habit. I have a few I have great confidence in, as well. Soul, I guess. Dad’s old Beretta Snipe has as much soul as anything else I’ve ever owned, but, maybe it came from Dad.

I service all my guns, and as a matter of point, any gun I buy, new or used, gets torn down to bits, cleaned and lubed, and function checked at my club before it gets anywhere near the truck for a trip out hunting. If you don’t know if you can get the discs out, or, own the tool or a spare set of strikes, dollars to donuts the gun is in the field, and hasn’t been serviced. There are guys who roll that way, but, I’m not that guy.

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"But by your logic the worst thing you could own is a London Best Sidelock."

not the worst, but a Dickson Round Action and the Stefano Zanotti improved sidelock give a way out of the impasse.

As for liking things English, I lived there for 14 years, started my hunting career there, first with a Greener GP and then an Empire. Most of my crowd shot with used Cogswells and sort of looked down at the Greener as being a little "too country" which was their way of calling me a peasant I guess.

I remember W&S 700s at our local gunshop, Whaley's at Hornsey road, being offered at 156 pounds when the Remington 1100 was 120 and the Darne Halifax 110 pounds. Mrs Whaley used to shoot Skeet with an 1100 for its low recoil..

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