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Good memory. It was "The Southern" chamber burst.
A sample of Cheddite for Herters “Select Field Dove and Quail” 1 oz. at 1165 fps, or the old 2 1/2 Dr. Eq. showed pressure averaging 12,500 psi with one at 13,400 psi.
Another Herters sample was measured by Tom Armbrust at 1,200 fps and 11,500 psi.

For historical comparison, DuPont Brandywine Experimental Station data cited by Charles Askins in 1933, with DuPont Bulk Smokeless Powder
16g 2 3/4 Dr. Eq. 1 oz. - 4.54 tons X 2240 = 10,170 psi plus 10 - 14%

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Sweet D M Lefever in that auction

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While we're on the topic; a Baltimore Arms Co.

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and a 'Thomas Parker', which I don't know if Belgian or English

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and the 'oft posted Sterly

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Has anyone seen a similar crack in a Tobin?

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Kinda’ related, Dewey literally didn’t have a kind word to say about them.

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Does Dewey have any kind words in his vocabulary?
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Drew,
First off, thank you for all you do here for the SxS community. For the sake of correcting an error I want to point out that I have objection to the first gun listed as a Baltimore Arms Company. Baltimore Arms models have scalloped breeches and the barrel flats follow the watertable profile. It is hard to make a definite identification of the pictured gun without more features, but I believe it to be either an N.R. Davis or a late model Torkelson.

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Originally Posted by John Roberts
Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Kinda’ related, Dewey literally didn’t have a kind word to say about them.

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Does Dewey have any kind words in his vocabulary?
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Absolutely. But, people want him to say kind words about various piles of shIt, and he won’t do that.

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Thank you John. This is a small low resolution image of what I believe to be the same gun

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Originally Posted by Drew Hause
While we're on the topic; a Baltimore Arms Co.

[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]

and a 'Thomas Parker', which I don't know if Belgian or English

[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]

and the 'oft posted Sterly

[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]

Has anyone seen a similar crack in a Tobin?

I’ve seen no cracks, but, bent frames aren’t tough to find. The guns might get wiggly enough that people quit using them.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
But, a question I’ve always had is if you know a gun is prone to cracking, why are people interested in them? We have collectively known that 20 gauge Flues guns often end up cracked. That sounds like a great reason to step up into a NID, or a Western Arms, or a Nitro, or, some other piece of Americana that doesn’t have a bad reputation. Unless you are into hanging them on the wall, what is the draw of these guns?

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I believe it's the "lightweight" thing Ted.

I've had 2 Flues 20's, one was a late gun, 1925, 28", 2-3/4" and looked like an NID with the full rounded side reinforcements, weighed about 6-9. Stout gun.

The other was an early gun, 1915, 30", 2-1/2", lighter, slanted side reinforcements, 5-12, almost a full pound less with longer barrels. This is the type you see cracked. I shot it with low pressure RST's, handled nicely. Sold for a good price, the guy wanted a light gun.


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Originally Posted by Drew Hause
Thank you John. This is a small low resolution image of what I believe to be the same gun

[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]

Drew, this second pic is a Syracuse Arms Co., hammerless. It is different from the gun in the earlier post. The profile below the breech balls varies as well as the length of the crack. I will stand with my ID of the first gun.

John

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