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""In the nineteenth century the quest was for speed. The development of sporting guns was driven by the customers' desire for guns which would work faster. They opened quicker, closed quicker, all the rest of it."

Richard Purdey, chairman of Purdey in a Rural Life video.

Ejectors were part of this drive for more speed in driven shooting.

They have a measurable effect on used gun prices, look at auction catalogs for confirmation. So they are useful in a way, their absence keeps prices down.

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Originally Posted by Rubberhead
Any grown-asp man that has the hand-eye-coordination to shoot a flying disk with a gun can surely cup his hand over ejectors and catch the empty hulls. What am I missing?

Nothing ........... it's easier for lots of people to blame an inanimate object for their shortcomings than it is for them to teach themselves a new skill.


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With the cheap shells with steel bases we have now which sometimes swell when fired and are sometimes hard to remove from the chamber, even in ejector guns……. I’m guessing it’s even harder to get them out from extractor guns where there is no spring assist from an ejector. BTW, I never see non-ejector guns at an NSCA competition, only ejector guns. There may be some non-ejector guns, but I’ve never noticed one at any of the traditional NSCA events where I’ve participated.


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of course, one can learn to catch ejected shells...but why deal with it, when simply lifting the spent shells out of the chambers is so much less distracting...

and for me, the real fun of skeet shooting is bringing back some of the joy of grouse and pheasant hunting...i neva hunted with an ejector gon...

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Originally Posted by ed good
of course, one can learn to catch ejected shells...but why deal with it, when simply lifting the spent shells out of the chambers is so much less distracting...


You have this backwards. The advantage, such that it is, in the 'distraction' sense is in all cases with the ejector gun. What could be less distracting than the empty shells simply disappearing when the gun is opened?

My primary singles and handicap trap gun is an extractor gun. There is zero functional difference on the trap line when saving shells between it and an ejector gun. The grip hand goes to the same place between targets and makes the same motions.

I have several extractor double guns. They do require a slightly different technique and it's the same when when saving shells or not. This is a complete non-issue to anyone who actually shoots much.

Get over the idea that you need to 'catch' ejected shells.


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With the cheap shells with steel bases we have now which sometimes swell when fired and are sometimes hard to remove from the chamber, even in ejector guns…

I find the problems associated with steel head shells to be essentially limited to repeaters.

A bigger problem with break open guns is the lack of standardization of shell head dimensions between brands of shells. This results at best in shell rims behind the ejector and at worse to misfires.


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Originally Posted by Buzz
With the cheap shells with steel bases we have now which sometimes swell when fired and are sometimes hard to remove from the chamber, even in ejector guns……. I’m guessing it’s even harder to get them out from extractor guns where there is no spring assist from an ejector. BTW, I never see non-ejector guns at an NSCA competition, only ejector guns. There may be some non-ejector guns, but I’ve never noticed one at any of the traditional NSCA events where I’ve participated.
People disconnect them on occasion.
I prefer an extractor gun at shoots.
No rushing between pairs.

On a drive, I wish shotguns were belt fed.

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Either one works for me. My very first shotgun, bought with my paper route earnings, was a hammerless single shot Savage 220A 20 ga. which had an automatic ejector. I still have it. With that, and subsequent auto ejector doubles, it is no problem to either catch the empties, or let them fly free to be picked up later. Extractor guns are fine with me too because I rarely find myself in a situation while hunting where I need to save fractions of seconds for quick reloading. For home defense, I have an unplugged pump gun that will spit out 5 shots quicker than any auto ejector double.

However, since most gun value sources say that auto-ejector guns will have a substantial premium in value, I do like it when I can buy an ejector gun at an extractor gun price. Only problem I have ever had with either system is an old worn extractor slipping past a shell rim.


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hear ya go...not belt fed but a step in that direction...


https://www.mossberg.com/new-590m-mag-fed-pump-action/

dove shooters should love this...until there are no more doves left to shoot...but, then there are always other song birds...


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True indeed, oh wise and all-knowning Edster= in mid summer I shoot blackbirds, not NOT the red-winged variety. Tricky targets. RWTF


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While I'm not surprised that gents like their ejectors, I personally don't. They certainly work better for me on the clay course, as the two places I shoot most frequently don't require you to pick up your shells. So, ok...that's neat...shoot and reload.

But for hunting, I will take extractors. Yes, you can cup your hand, but even at that, I like it as simple as possble.

Keith,

It's funny you should mention the Savage 220. Have a 219 30-30 rifle (the earliest "-219-" Utica version), and over the years I've aqquired all the same era 220 shotgun barrels, and a couple other 219 rifle barrels to go with it...they all fit, just need to use a larger forarm for the 12 and 16 ga. Anyway, the ejectors on those things!!! Could take someone's eye out standing behind you! The shotguns are strong, but the rifles are murderous. Could actually injure someone at the shooting range.

I've taken the spring out and snipped it a bit on all of them. Now they merely extract.

NDG

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