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It is all a sales pitch to sell those over priced £200 or £250 lumps of wood to the man who has everything except common sense. Of course he did not say that some people do like a gun to be slightly barrel heavy and others prefer slightly stock heavy it is all a matter of what is right for the individual. I have found that if the action weight is somewhere central when your hand is in the correct shooting position on the fore end with the other holding the correct place on the grip area is good enough for me. My balancing pivot is a piece of dowel held in a bench vice costing more or less nothing. "A fool and his money are soon parted."


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"Interesting comments, wonder how many here has shot a well made English Best?"

I have, lots of them, and also Italian, French, Spanish, Belgian and German high end guns. The best feel in the hands I have come across is in English medium to high quality SINGLE barrel guns from makers like Lang, Midland, and others.

I carried out an experiment one day in a shop that has hundreds of high end guns. After clients mounted best doubles I put the Lang single in their hands. Everyone was impressed with the feel, but no one was willing to forego the second shot.

Something similar happened with the Beretta 304 which is three shot 2 3/4 chambered. It is one of the best handling autos, but it was outsold 5 to 1 by the Beretta 390 with its 4 shot capacity and magnum chamber. The 390 handles like a brick but provides more firepower and that seems to count.

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Shotgunlover, I have a Tolley single barrel 12 ga that feels fantastic in the hands. The only gun in my safe that feels better in my hands is the Lindner Daly 20 gauge I picked up last winter. But with a loose forend lug I’ve not shot the Daly 20 yet…..it’s waiting for it’s appointment with CJO. So I can’t tell yet how I shoot it. But I’ll note I also have a short barreled 12 ga Purdey and it feels just okay. But I hit with it.

IIRC member GLS has a couple English single barrel game guns. Since I bought my Tolley about 10 years ago, I’m always on the lookout for another but they are as rare as the proverbial hens teeth up here.

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I fancy a nice English single barrel, myself, but haven't begun the search for one yet. I recall great pictures on here of geese taken by Terry Lubzinski with his beautiful single barrel fowlers. I miss Terry and his photographs. Anyone heard from him? I see he hasn't been on this forum since March past.


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Originally Posted by Shotgunlover
The 390 handles like a brick but provides more firepower and that seems to count.

They got it pretty much right with the 391. Then of course people started hanging weights all over them.

The 20 gauge Superposed is known to handle well. I nominate a variant thereof as the gun with the best dynamics I've experienced.

The 30" 20ga. Citori XS 'sport' is near to perfect, at least for me, at exactly 7 pounds. If I could put a Krieghoff trigger on that one it would be my ultimate shotgun.


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Well I wonder, you think a balanced gun makes you shoot better? If you shoot poorly with a Fox Sterlingworth then I would think you would shoot poorly with a Boss. I think a well balanced gun in the hands make the gun feel almost as it is not in your hands.
Shooting poorly is the result of lots of things, poor gun mount, poor gun fit, bad habits in shooting. When you purchased a gun from Purdey or Boss they first did the gun fitting, built the gun and made sure it was properly balanced. Then you left the shop and what results you may of had was a result of yourself.
Are we all thinking about this the same way?


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Differing balance for differing disciplines? I like an upland gun to be much livelier than a gun for dedicated target shooting.


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Most shooters who can't hit anything with a poorly balanced gun suffer from a common problem. They have not yet learned to shoot.

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I believe it is developing muscle memory with a gun that you shoot well and feel comfortable with. I have several like that and for that reason agree with John E's advice and will never part with them.
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"they have not yet learned to shoot", very true but not through a fault of their own.

Shotgun shooting instruction lags behind other sport teaching. The approach that is the most frequently applied is to teach the basics of safety, get the pupil on the stand and let him have a go at full speed clays. The cycling equivalent would be to put someone on a racing bike and let him have his first try in traffic.

If instructors approached shooting in the way that cycling is taught to adult non cyclists, ie start with a balance bike, which lets the pupil discover equilibrium, then move on to slow riding pedal bikes, etc, in other words a layered gradual teaching method, then we would see positive results.

I am convinced that instruction deficiency is partly responsible for the failure to attract new shooters.

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