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Mike, I've owned two English best guns. I still own and hunt with one of them. The gun I've shot the the best with, while hunting, was a lower end Spanish gun. I don't have a good reason why.
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The wrong pair of shoes will never feel right. Same goes for guns.
You can also have a gun that feels "perfect" yet you can not hit with.
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" Never let go of a magic wand."

Sage advice!


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Originally Posted by PALUNC
Interesting comments, wonder how many here has shot a well made English Best?

Don't know about anyone else who posted in reply to you but I have, if Purdeys meet your qualifications. I broke every bird on the station with it, but, I also shot a 100 X 100 last April with a Win. Super X2. It hardly balances on the "cross pin" ............. it doesn't even have one.


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Since different makes have different action lengths, I fail to see the value of balancing on the hinge pin. The question is how it works as a dance partner when you and the gun and the bird are in motion. If you struggle to get the gun moving, it is too heavy forward. If you struggle to keep it moving, it is too light forward. The guns that work for me tend to balance about 4.5" ahead of the front trigger for walkup shooting, and 5" for pass shooting, but that's not a hard and fast rule.

Trigger(s), balance, and fit. The stocker is the person to see for two of those.


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This subject can be over simplified or made needlessly complex.

I've found a lght gun benefits greatly from a bit of weight distribution towards the ends - thus my preference for a long barrel set and a long pull on a small bore double. It of course would 'balance' the same place as one with a shorter barrel and stock.

Most of it is what you get used to. Many people shoot a K-80 very well and that's about as dead a gun as can be found. Even Kriegoff finally came to their senses and came out with a model with a lighter barrel set.

Yes, I've had the good fortune to shoot a Purdey. I looked stunning behind it in my blue jeans and T-shirt, at least so I was told. It's a gun. I could learn to shoot it.

Same guys who tell me my Model 50 is so butt heavy as to be useless admire a 'lively' Perazzi.

Stan, I like my automatics to balance someplace along the ejection port. That gives me a about a 3" range so I'm never disappointed.


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Originally Posted by Shotgunjones
Same guys who tell me my Model 50 is so butt heavy as to be useless admire a 'lively' Perazzi.
Only time I care what the other guys think about my gun is when it is for sale. Otherwise, it puts birds in the grass or it doesn't.


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Originally Posted by Shotgunjones
Stan, I like my automatics to balance someplace along the ejection port. That gives me a about a 3" range so I'm never disappointed.

Is that with it loaded or unloaded, and if loaded would that be with ........... 7/8 oz., 1 oz., 1 1/16 oz., 1 1/8 oz., or heavier loads? All that will shift the balance point, don'tcha know? crazy


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Originally Posted by Carl46
Originally Posted by Shotgunjones
Same guys who tell me my Model 50 is so butt heavy as to be useless admire a 'lively' Perazzi.
Only time I care what the other guys think about my gun is when it is for sale. Otherwise, it puts birds in the grass or it doesn't.

Of course, but the discussions go on at the clubs as they go on here. It's a big part of the fun.

One very memorable occasion comes to mind. An automotive engineer friend of mine was overly enamored with the Auto-5 pattern shotgun. A particular pride and joy of his was a Remington Model 11 'Sportsman' with a factory Poly-Choke. Larry shot the thing well, just because he was good shooter. I teased him about the ugly 'ducks' on the sides and the pickle on the end and the firewood for a stock... it was all in good fun.

So I'm passing through a gun show and what do I stumble across. A gun identical to Larry's. It's worth the $300 just for the gag. I call and tell him to be sure to bring his Model 11 out to the club for our Thursday shoot because a guy wants to look at it. Larry complies. I put mine in the rack next to his and asked if he would sell his so I could have a composed pair.

It gets better. Dave was there with his DT-10. The three of us shot a line of skeet, and the banter started. Score, Larry 25, me 25, Dave 24. A new DT-10 beaten by not one, but 2 Poly-Choked Remington 11's.

It's the Indian, boys... not the arrow. Gosh that was fun. I haven't seen Dave in years, but I hope he's well and reads this board.


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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
Originally Posted by Shotgunjones
Stan, I like my automatics to balance someplace along the ejection port. That gives me a about a 3" range so I'm never disappointed.

Is that with it loaded or unloaded, and if loaded would that be with ........... 7/8 oz., 1 oz., 1 1/16 oz., 1 1/8 oz., or heavier loads? All that will shift the balance point, don'tcha know? crazy

Balance point changes every shot.

I still have a standard weight A5 with a 30" lightweight barrel that has 3 AA hulls full of #8 shot in front of the magazine spring because I wanted to (get this) shoot some trap doubles with it.

It worked so well i decided to leave it. Stupid is as stupid does...


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