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Understand, and again your feedback appreciated.
If understand correctly, offers here are "blind" -made by PM.
Problem is that I then have to determine if the highest offer is fair/acceptable -again, not my wheelhouse.
Wrong to expect PM's here to bring mostly/all lowball offers, with the highest not reflecting ballpark actual value?
Therefore reasonable to think that an open auction selling price should more accurately reflect actual value?
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As one who has purchased multiple Lefever shotguns, and also bought a lot of Lefever parts online, I strongly believe that you would get more for an intact and functional, if imperfect, Lefever E Grade gun than you would from parting it out. And without the correct tools and disassembly knowledge, you could even cause more loss of value than there already is.
I recommended Gunbroker.com purely because it is the largest internet gun auction site. Gunrunner.com is another option that has gotten much bigger in recent years. I used to never mention Gunrunner here because I got some screaming deals due to the former limited audience it had. Those days are over. Having a large audience insures the most exposure to potential buyers. A big audience is great for the seller, but not so good for a buyer. The overall fees for selling will be higher than the fees for selling it here would be. On the other hand, you are not obligated to sell it here if the offers you receive are unacceptable.
Local Auction houses can be hit or miss... depending upon the crowd, the weather, the amount of advertising the auctioneer does, and the day of the week. But when the gavel bangs, there is nothing you can do except take what you get, minus fees. Don't forget, with a serial number under 28916, your Lefever is a pre-1899 Antique, and does not require an FFL transfer to sell or ship to most places, except some that are ruled by anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats who impose stricter local sales restrictions.
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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First off, Syracuse Lefever shotguns do not have barrel hinge pins. Lefever used an innovative ball and socket joint that permitted a small amount of adjustment to take up eventual wear.
The rebluing really hurts the value of your gun. Collectors dislike any such egregious deviation from original condition. The greatest concern is whether the barrels were blued using the common hot salts method. Soft soldered shotgun barrels should never be hot blued because the caustic salts may become trapped under the ribs and attack and loosen the solder joints. Most guns have some small voids in the solder joints that allow the Hot blue solution to enter, and flushing out the corrosive residue is difficult, and often ignored by gunsmiths ignorant of the problem.
I also note some damage to the wood where the relatively fragile stock fingers meet the frame. But it is hard to tell the extent and severity of the damage from your pics. I saw your friend's valuation of your 16 ga. L.C
Smith Ideal grade, and feel he is optimistic. To get a better handle on actual values, I'd advise spending some time watching ACTUAL SALES on a large internet site such as Gunbroker.com
You need to compare your guns to those in very similar condition and configuration, and understand that small gauge guns carry a premium over the more common 12 gauge guns. You also need to just ignore the large number of guns that are listed with unrealistic reserves, and are relisted over and over with no bidding activity. Those sellers are simply trolling the waters for a naive buyer with more money than brains. The only thing that matters is ACTUAL SALES. Opinions and wishful thinking are meaningless. Once you arrive at a selling price, don't forget that this forum has a For Sale section with a $12.00 fee for a successful sale. Keith, a late response/thanks for your reply- Regarding condition of wood where stock fingers meet frame, took pics (best could do) to help w/further eval: https://imgur.com/Y40v5bUhttps://imgur.com/TpuNwqWhttps://imgur.com/wtHz318https://imgur.com/AYxNKsCThanks for correction regarding "barrel hinge pin"-that's what the evaluator called it. First pic in OP shows missing part, which appears to be a pin. Correct name/title appreciated! Thanks also for your provided rebluing details -definitely understand an important flaw.
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The additional pics of the stock where it meets the frame show that it isn't near as bad as many old Lefever guns. Those "fingers" above and below the sideplates are a fragile area, and many old original Lefever stocks have bad cracks, missing splinters of wood, or crude repairs. That area is one of the weak points of Lefever shotguns, and probably accounts for most that have had or need stock replacements. A combination of thin areas of old wood and heavy recoiling loads is probably the biggest cause of this damage.
It appears that the missing pin in your frame is the joint check pin that was used to limit barrel travel in the older guns that used older cocking systems. It was rendered obsolete on later guns using the large cocking hook. Someone may have removed it because they didn't know how to remove the barrels from the frame. It should be replaced to prevent damage.Until then, be careful to open the gun gently, and don't permit the barrels to rotate too far. That could stress the solder joint of the forend hanger, which may already be compromised if the barrels were blued with hot salts
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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Keith, a late response/thanks for your reply- Not your fault LCSmithLefever.... My reply to your questions was not posted here until nearly 3 days after I submitted it.... which seems to be becoming the new normal. Often times, my submissions lose a lot of relevance when they finally appear 2-3 days after I submitted them.
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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As suggested on your other thread...
Take the guns outside or somewhere there is plenty of natural light, turn off the flash and take some good sharp pictures. If they are not sharp take them again.
BUT....First go on some of the gun-sites, look at the pictures the better sellers post and try to emulate.
Good luck
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As suggested on your other thread...
Take the guns outside or somewhere there is plenty of natural light, turn off the flash and take some good sharp pictures. If they are not sharp take them again.
BUT....First go on some of the gun-sites, look at the pictures the better sellers post and try to emulate.
Good luck Yes, thanks -do plan that when the sun shines (possibly next few days)
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Your pictures will be best in the shade, not direct sunlight.
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Your pictures will be best in the shade, not direct sunlight. Thanks -will do my Best!
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This was done indoors with no direct sunlight. I’m no photographer and this was taken with a iPad. So it can be done without expensive equipment. ![[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]](https://i.ibb.co/Nx40dnV/DF9-ADE58-535-C-4-BFE-8-F1-A-1843000-F42-FA.jpg)
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