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It’s all good. England is a small sub colony of Scotland.


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Sort of like how Detroiters consider Ontario the 51st state.

The late "Cactus Jack" O'Connor in his Shotgun Book states, regarding Limey gun fitting and snobbery- "You haven't really lived until you've been conned by a Brit".. True that. RWTF

Just quibbling a little bit. Whenever you have world class athletes, and money enters the fray, their choice of equipment is largely decided on the basis of who pays most. Each of the persons named shoot guns that are largely custom made for them. The country of apparent origin is immaterial to “what is”. I have intimate knowledge of the pro golf world. You can’t believe the shenanigans that go on to reconcile what the player likes to hit with what the player has signed on to promote.

Did you drag your best gun to Olde Blighty to shoot the deer? Did you do this last year? Will you do it again, this year, or, next? Why not? 20 years ago, I inquired about doing some hunting in France. My hosts, gracious, but honest, informed me that while it might not be technically illegal, it might as well be. As gunmakers, they had to score an invite from a landowner, and they would have a day out, surrounded by strangers, and they might get a shot at a duck, or not. The event usually ended as a party, and the guest of honor was most often a large boar that had been hit by a car, or shot on a hunt, but, usually, hit by a car. The pigs were a huge nuisance in that part of France, and getting worse. There were fees, of course, but, those fees promised them nothing, save they would be on the property that day.

They considered themselves lucky if they got out every five years. They were well connected, opposed to say, mostly anyone else. I was dumbfounded at how few options there were to this, and how they expected to produce hunting weapons in a culture that had almost no legal public hunting available to the masses.

As long as you have a pile of money to give them, them being the landowners, local enforcement agencies, and whatever government perfunctory is standing with his hand out, you are right, you can technically hunt, in Europe. Sometimes. What we have, here, is hugely different. The situation in Europe is most certainly not improving.

Good guns are much like gentlemen. Where you find them. Already pointed out, the good gun that is walked up to a peg in a slip, might not be all that great sitting in a duck boat for 40 seasons. Yes, I know guys that do that with a gun, and it is not an English gun.


Best,
Ted

Issue also settled in 1912; the Gold Medal U.S. team, several with (oh the shame) repeating shotguns!



Including individual Gold Jay Graham



Again in 1920; the Gold Medal U.S. team. Mark Arie was individual Gold with a Marlin Model 28 pump!



And 1924: the Gold Medal U.S. team. All Model 12s except Frank Hughes with a Smith

No I leave the Holland home when I deer hunt(are you really that clueless?????)

I might make it over next year for Stags and walked up birds if the Covid situation stabilizes, not this year.

That may be the case in France, I have not hunted there. The people I know in the UK get out multiple times per year for birds and big game.

The costs associated with my hunting in the UK were on par with hunting in America, very tolerable.

I far prefer the large amounts of public land on offer here in the States to the European model but as the saying goes "When in Rome...."

I'm not much of a duck hunter for for the walked up game I pursue my H&H has been the perfect gun for me. What other choose is up to them but I have made my choice and can live with it just fine. Tuck thinks so too....

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My question doesn’t involve what gun you use to kill a deer on an estate in England (clueless?) rather, are you bringing a gun to England to use? Because, that is getting to the point where it is almost impossible, outside the US.
Answer that question. You have had two tries at this point.
I know half a dozen people who used to travel to England or Scotland to shoot. To a one, they don’t do that anymore, and toward the end, they certainly didn’t entertain the notion of bringing a gun to use. Or, ammunition.
The best explanation I heard is the whole ordeal was an “Expensive, hot mess. You will be treated just fine, as long as you are buying, and you bring plenty of tip money”.
OK, good enough, if that is what you are into, then fine. If I shoot a deer, I dress, butcher and cook a deer. Same with a bird. Same with a fish I catch. Not my deal if it ends any other way.

Best,
Ted

Yes, I brought the .25-06 Mauser I built in Gunsmithing school and the appropriate ammunition for it.

I eat what I shoot here in the States and live almost exclusively off of wild game, with the exception of store bought bacon and some lunchmeat.
When I travel to hunt internationally I do not eat what I shoot usually, unless the circumstance allows for it.

Do I still need my other try Ted?

Hard to argue your point but I will say some of the very best ale I have had was while in Prague in 1994, the local dark beer(simply called Pevo dark) was amazing. I will never forget the huge steins of it being served in the beer garden of my hostile for less than a dime.

Let us know how it goes next time you show up in England to hunt, and if you manage to get a gun in the place.

Have a safe trip.

Best,
Ted