January
S M T W T F S
1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30 31
Who's Online Now
10 members (Argo44, bill schodlatz, Herschel, Carl46, FlyChamps, Ian Forrester), 129 guests, and 5 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums10
Topics36,576
Posts513,552
Members14,125
Most Online462
Aug 5th, 2016
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 3 of 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,094
Likes: 26
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,094
Likes: 26
Originally Posted by Nudge
God bless you for scotch.

And golf.




___________________________
Ted S: Lonny, you’re drunk!
Lonny R: Ted, you are ugly, and tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be ugly.

And Churchill.

1 member likes this: Ted Schefelbein
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,448
Likes: 115
SKB Offline
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,448
Likes: 115
I have never liked yellow beer, it has nothing to do with love of of country but rather a reflection on a developed palate.

Plenty of things to love about the good old USA, our mass produced beer is not one of them.

I enjoy visiting the UK, I love being an American.

Have you been to Britain? Lovely place, packed with history and culture.


http://www.bertramandco.com/

ACGG Professional metalsmith, firearms import services.
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 8,690
Likes: 86
Sidelock
**
Online Content
Sidelock
**

Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 8,690
Likes: 86
Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by Nudge
God bless you for scotch.

And golf.




___________________________
Ted S: Lonny, you’re drunk!
Lonny R: Ted, you are ugly, and tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be ugly.

And Churchill.


Being ugly ain’t so bad. Just think how much it would suck to be you.

Best,
Ted

____________________________________________________________________
Or, how much more it would suck being you and living in Detroit.

Joined: Jun 2021
Posts: 101
Likes: 19
Sidelock
Online Content
Sidelock

Joined: Jun 2021
Posts: 101
Likes: 19
I thought scotch, golf, and Sean Connery were from Scotland, not England. England has many claims to fame, but not those.


Caution: Hunting and fishing stories told here. Protective footgear may be required.
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 542
Likes: 11
LGF Offline
Sidelock
*
Offline
Sidelock
*

Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 542
Likes: 11
I just wish that lovely warm, flat British ale were more available here. I have yet to find an American craft beer that comes close, and even Bass and Newkie Broon are getting harder to find. A while ago I found Newcastle brewed by Heineken in the Netherlands, nowhere close to the real thing, and more recently brewed by Lagunitas in California, downright vile. Oh, for a proper pint of McEwan's.

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 888
Likes: 7
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 888
Likes: 7
"Digweed is British, the end" but he shoots an Italian Perazzi.

The presenter uses the word "hunting" when it is actually shooting. British guns are probably best for "shooting" where the process is static. "Guns" (not hunters) are placed at pegs (another term indicative of the static nature of shooting). When moving from drive to drive guns are cosseted in slips and after the season they need a maker's once over.

Du Broff in an old Gun Digest article on the British shooting scene wrote that if there is any desire in a Briton to actively seek game by moving over land, this desire is quickly stamped out. In other words there is no true hunting in Britain, and is no wonder that the term hunting, when used over there refers to mounted fox hunting. For more on the difference between hunting and how it morphed into shooting see here:

http://oplognosia.com/?p=12552


Subjected to true hunting conditions these so called "best guns" will not last long. Try if you dare to drag a "best" over chukar terrain and see how well it lasts.

As for artistic merit, the assumption is that the British makers produced the most aesthetically pleasing guns. True if your aesthetic sense tends to Art Nouveau, a period that coincided with the development of the British gun used for static shooting.

There are other artistic trends. Arte Deco arguably produced a more modern and artistically more honest approach since it applied the "form follows function" principle in earnest. For more on this see here:

http://oplognosia.com/?p=9471

Setting the criteria and then delivering judgement is a well known debating trick used by the video presenter. Asserting that British wing shooting is the best in the world is that criterion, and naturally a British gun is best for that activity. But British wing shooting is not hunting. There is no British hunting over public land, in other words none for the common folk.

And that brings us to what we want be seen as and who we want to identified with. I am OK with the image of the farm kid dragging a Stevens 620, or a Winchester single shot while kicking rabbits out of a bush and carrying whatever I harvest by myself home to cook, rather than the lord who downs hundreds of birds in one day's shooting, touches none of them since there are pickers up for that mundane task, and certainly never cooks anything he shoots. The thought of being identified with such barbarity makes me cringe.

Last edited by Shotgunlover; 10/03/21 05:29 AM.
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,448
Likes: 115
SKB Offline
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,448
Likes: 115
No hunting for the common man in the UK?

Well that's news to me. I shot a free range Fallow, muntjac, and Chinese Water deer as well as walked up Ducks and Pheasant. I did pay a small trespass fee but that is common in America as well.

I have been dragging my best gun across our high prairies in search of Roosters and grouse for about fifteen years and I see absolutely no ill effects from hunting that gun.

You will be hard pressed to find a bigger smile on face then when I roll a cagey wild bird over my dogs with that old Holland. Despite what all the nah sayers constantly spout, in the years I have owned that gun it has needed zero maintenance beyond cleaning and lube.


http://www.bertramandco.com/

ACGG Professional metalsmith, firearms import services.
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 888
Likes: 7
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 888
Likes: 7
SKB, I lived in England for 14 years, started my "shooting" career there. I left when the police refused to renew my shotgun certificate because I could not produce a written agreement showing that I had the shooting rights over some piece of private land. Public land did not count as no shooting is allowed there.

The certificate having lapsed, due to their delay, I was told that if I moved the guns out of the house to a shop to sell I would be arrested for illegal possession. A "kind" police sergeant agreed to buy my guns. We agreed on a price, he picked them and handed me a folded check. I did not look at it, he was a trustworthy police officer. The check was for a lot less than we agreed.

We each have our experiences in life. Mine lead me to smile when I read a comment attributed to Bob Brister "if you have not been diddled by an Englishman, you haven't lived"

Last edited by Shotgunlover; 10/03/21 05:43 AM.
1 member likes this: Ted Schefelbein
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,448
Likes: 115
SKB Offline
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,448
Likes: 115
I deal a lot with the British as I import quite a few guns from them. In my experience they are no more or less honest than Americans, gentlemen as well as thieves are where you find them. I will say though that customer service and communication in Britain leaves quite a bit to be desired. In America, if you inquire about purchasing something or hiring someone to provide a service you will receive a prompt reply the vast majority of the time, the same cannot be said of Britain.


http://www.bertramandco.com/

ACGG Professional metalsmith, firearms import services.
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43
BEY Offline
Sidelock
Offline
Sidelock

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43
Dickson, MacNaugton and DMB are pretty fine guns both aesthetically and mechanically.

For Olympics, sporting clay and fitasc - Beretta, Perazzi, Krieghoff, Kolar

Where are the British made O/U's.

Digweed, Faulds, Hustwaite, Solomon and Wisner are al ltop British champions. None shoot British Guns.

USA has Meins, Radulovich, Fanizzi, Kruse, Hancock, Matarese etc


brian
Page 3 of 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

Link Copied to Clipboard

doublegunshop.com home | Welcome | Sponsors & Advertisers | DoubleGun Rack | Doublegun Book Rack

Order or request info | Other Useful Information

Updated every minute of everyday!


Copyright (c) 1993 - 2021 doublegunshop.com. All rights reserved. doublegunshop.com - Bloomfield, NY 14469. USA These materials are provided by doublegunshop.com as a service to its customers and may be used for informational purposes only. doublegunshop.com assumes no responsibility for errors or omissions in these materials. THESE MATERIALS ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANT-ABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, OR NON-INFRINGEMENT. doublegunshop.com further does not warrant the accuracy or completeness of the information, text, graphics, links or other items contained within these materials. doublegunshop.com shall not be liable for any special, indirect, incidental, or consequential damages, including without limitation, lost revenues or lost profits, which may result from the use of these materials. doublegunshop.com may make changes to these materials, or to the products described therein, at any time without notice. doublegunshop.com makes no commitment to update the information contained herein. This is a public un-moderated forum participate at your own risk.

Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without prior written consent of the Copyright holder. For specifics on Copyright Law and restrictions refer to: http://www.copyright.gov/laws/ - doublegunshop.com will not monitor nor will they be held liable for copyright violations presented on the BBS which is an open and un-moderated public forum.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.0.33-0+deb9u11+hw1 Page Time: 0.043s Queries: 37 (0.020s) Memory: 0.8640 MB (Peak: 1.8992 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2022-01-25 02:45:19 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS