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I would think a London gunmaker might want to engrave , stock and finish gun to customer request

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Sometimes but not always, at times Rigby for example would order fully finished guns from Webley, other times barreled actions.


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IMO, at least one gun can be found that suits any of the proposed scenarios. Business need was the driver for how makers supplied guns. Boxlocks were not generally in vogue. It was more or less socially necessary among the upper crust social groups to be in fashion. London built sidelocks were the peak of fashion. IMO, a good many shooters would have been ahead by ordering best work boxlocks rather than sidelocks.

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Many thanks for the excellent short history of Wilkes. The below photos of the Gunmakers' Association...apparently from 1896? - include identifications of the Individuals.
https://craigwhitseygunmakers.co.uk/html/classic_photos.html

Does anyone have access to these identifications? Is there a Reilly representative? This is a blank period in my research and I had to conclude that after the death of EM Reilly in July 1890, his wife Mary Ann took over the company and ran it into the ground. A photo of a representative would help though. Thanks.


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Here is the rifle that inspired this thread, a Wilkes 470 ble. It turns out it has Birmingham provisional proofs and London final view marks. Likely sourced through the trade but finished up by the Brothers is my feeling.


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My view is it showed up to Wilkes as a fully functional, completed rifle, and then proofed in London for the sake of “panache”. There’s nothing on that rifle that says to me that Wilkes Bros finished it. Looks Birmingham through & through to my eyes.

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But when it was made Wilkes had a Birmingham factory /shop so the entire gun could have been made by them the address on this Wilkes was only used one year 1924 1925 so who knows .you are also looking at a picture

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The history of Wilkes states that the Birmingham works was shutdown when Jack left in 1923. Sounds like this gun falls into the “outworkers” time frame. After 1923, the history states the Harper, Bayliss , and Webley & Scott were familiar suppliers.

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I guess Wilkes could have pitched all there parts or sold them when they closed there Birmingham operation it's to bad more of the inside history isn't known .Wilkes is a favorite of mine I really like there side lock doubles.(this rifle is great)

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33428 would date to 1894 per my chart. Advertisement from 1982 Weller & Duffey catalog:

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