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ed good #603412 09/25/21 07:44 AM
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"one never knows when one of these old guns is going to let go...if one must shoot guns with twist steel barrels, then do so only occasionally...and then only use shells loaded with powder the gun was designed for...ie: black powder..."

Regulars here ed understand that you repeat things over and over, "facts" that you must know to be false, simply to draw attention to yourself by prolonging the same threads you initiate...over and over.
And to get a rise from those of us who know what you say is BS.

The problem is that visitors to the site may not know better.
So I'll take the bait and provide you some gratification and entertainment with this...for like the 15th time

Remington Arms 1893 "Guaranteed For Nitro Powder"

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Parker Bros. 1893 Catalog
“Our guns are bored on the latest improved system for shooting Nitros, or Smokeless Powder, and all our guns are tested with some one of the most approved makes, and a tag accompanies each gun, giving the results of such a (pattern) test.”


Listing in the 1902 Sears catalog "Bored For Nitro or Black Powder"

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ed good #603417 09/25/21 09:34 AM
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gee guys, i know its hard to focus, but please do try to stay on topic...and remember this is about opinion...

any other specific examples of guns you consider as unsafe?

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Stanton Hills, maybe it's just British farmers but that is from long experience. I'm sure some U.K. members may agree. The attitude seems to be one of 'well it hasn't blown up so far'. I've seen some real shockers in use. Rusty things propped up in cow shed windows, tucked round the back of tractor seats and even bits of welded patches on the barrels covering holes. Maybe it will be less so as a new generation takes over and guns here being as cheap as they are at the moment. Lagopus.....

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lag, re your comment about welded patches on barrels...have seen more than one old, well used twist steel barrelled gun with similar repairs, except, pin holes were filled with brass looking material and then draw filed to blend in...

it is my understanding that because black powder pressure is relatively low, pin holes will develop in an old worn out twist barrel, before it will erupt...your view, if any...


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Marlin has advised owners of their old hammer pump guns that they are unsafe to shoot. I don't recall exactly why, but it seems like there was something about firing out of battery.


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Originally Posted by lagopus
Stanton Hills, maybe it's just British farmers but that is from long experience. I'm sure some U.K. members may agree. The attitude seems to be one of 'well it hasn't blown up so far'. I've seen some real shockers in use. Rusty things propped up in cow shed windows, tucked round the back of tractor seats and even bits of welded patches on the barrels covering holes. Maybe it will be less so as a new generation takes over and guns here being as cheap as they are at the moment. Lagopus.....


Thanks for the reply, lagopus. Having farmed, and lived in a highly agricultural region, all of my life here I couldn't make a case that farmers have any corner on carelessness or foolhardiness concerning guns. It seems to be fairly and equally distributed throughout our society. Fools are where you find them, and carelessness seemingly abounds in every station.

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Originally Posted by lagopus
Stanton Hills, maybe it's just British farmers but that is from long experience. I'm sure some U.K. members may agree. The attitude seems to be one of 'well it hasn't blown up so far'. I've seen some real shockers in use. Rusty things propped up in cow shed windows, tucked round the back of tractor seats and even bits of welded patches on the barrels covering holes. Maybe it will be less so as a new generation takes over and guns here being as cheap as they are at the moment. Lagopus.....

Got to agree ,here in UK `farmers gun` is a well recognised term which immediately paints a mental picture that you describe....seen many such used over the years,most of which were proudly described as `good killers` or `hard hitters` . To the credit of their makers ,i`ve never heard of one that `let go`!!! In fact I`ve not seen any gun that burst or badly bulged other than due to an obstructed bore in my 50 yrs afield.

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Seems to me I once read an article by a Brit- denegrating American boxlock guns- in particular he remarked that Parkers were stout guns, without grace or balance, and suitable for yeomen and farmers usage-- RWTF.


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Ok, before I start. I am from a long line of farmers, grew up on the farm and have and still do dabble in it as an adult. I'll just say this. A lot of well abused crappy guns show up on the auctions when farmer's wives sell out the household! Now maybe the kids have kept the good stuff, but.

Case in point. We kept a Stevens Favorite inside the pump house along with a box of shells. It was there for convenient problem solving. Never wiped down, cleaned, lubed etc. It was a tool, nothing more. It is a shame as it was a relatively rare version as far as Stevens Favorites go. Probably worth a couple hundred now if it had received average care.

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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
Originally Posted by ed good
stan, recently, an avid shooter i know of had a scary experience...seems like he occasionally shot skeet with a 12 gauge parker hammer gun with damascus barrels, using light smokeless loads...been doing so for quite awhile...well this summer, he was shooting as usual, when one of the barrels erupted, with a few inches of barrel being blown out...fortunately, no one was hurt...one never knows when one of these old guns is going to let go...if one must shoot guns with twist steel barrels, then do so only occasionally...and then only use shells loaded with powder the gun was designed for...ie: black powder...

and as for shooting .017 or similar thin barrel walls...a barrel blockage of any kind or a severe barrel dent will cause pressures to increase rapidly...in that situation, the thinner the barrel walls, the more likely there will be a bulge or eruption...i would think...

That reply is so full of assumptions I won't even begin to address them. And, it didn't even begin to answer the question I asked.


So there is no such thing as nitro proved Damascus barrels?

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