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ed good #603393 09/24/21 08:12 PM
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In my 67 odd years of shotgunning, if the original question is about a certain make and model of shotgun, going way back in time, both happen to be of WRA mfg. first, the Model 1893 pumpgun- next the M11 semi-autoloader-- known in some areas as the "Widow maker"--Thomas Crossley Johnson did a masterful job on the M12 (and M1912)-- but he sure fubared WRA;s attempt to bring out a reliable semi-auto to compete with the Browning Auto-5. Just my 2 cents worth.. Now, as to the acerbic remarks made here about "old Farmers"--I can see 2 sides to that. It is true that non-landowners who don't wrest a living from the land, fighting Nature and the "middlemen", whether they are involved in dairy, beef, swine, poultry or cash cropping--do not seem to understand the "farm way"-- they see equipment stored outdoors, gravelled 2 track roads, barns with roofing torn loose from severe weather, and wonder-- what they fail to grasp is the fact that farming ain't a 9 to 5 5 day a week career-- even hobby farms take long hours of work to pay off-the other side is that Farmers know better than any other group I am aware of how to be good neighbors- in order to survive, that is a flat out fact of life.Farmers are the best folks the Good Lord put on the face of the earth, and I am lucky to have so many of them as trusted friends. RWTF


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Okay ed, in a gentlemanly fashion, answer the question ................


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stan, recently, an avid shooter i know of had a scary experience...seems like he occasionally shot skeet with a 12 gauge parker hammer gun with damascus barrels, using light smokeless loads...been doing so for quite awhile...well this summer, he was shooting as usual, when one of the barrels erupted, with a few inches of barrel being blown out...fortunately, no one was hurt...one never knows when one of these old guns is going to let go...if one must shoot guns with twist steel barrels, then do so only occasionally...and then only use shells loaded with powder the gun was designed for...ie: black powder...

and as for shooting .017 or similar thin barrel walls...a barrel blockage of any kind or a severe barrel dent will cause pressures to increase rapidly...in that situation, the thinner the barrel walls, the more likely there will be a bulge or eruption...i would think...

minimum barrel wall thickness of .030 is my standard for safety...others say .025 is ok...shooting anything below .025 is to risky for me...

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foxie,your post above is your best in a long time...


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Originally Posted by ed good
stan, recently, an avid shooter i know of had a scary experience...seems like he occasionally shot skeet with a 12 gauge parker hammer gun with damascus barrels, using light smokeless loads...been doing so for quite awhile...well this summer, he was shooting as usual, when one of the barrels erupted, with a few inches of barrel being blown out...fortunately, no one was hurt...one never knows when one of these old guns is going to let go...if one must shoot guns with twist steel barrels, then do so only occasionally...and then only use shells loaded with powder the gun was designed for...ie: black powder...

and as for shooting .017 or similar thin barrel walls...a barrel blockage of any kind or a severe barrel dent will cause pressures to increase rapidly...in that situation, the thinner the barrel walls, the more likely there will be a bulge or eruption...i would think...

That reply is so full of assumptions I won't even begin to address them. And, it didn't even begin to answer the question I asked.


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how bout dis, with regard to shotgun barrels and aircraft engines: "failure is not an acceptable option"...


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ed good #603407 09/24/21 11:16 PM
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What we got heah, is…


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My old mzl conversion to 16ga cartridge using a mzl set of barrels soldered to a set of cut off 12ga barresl . I bought it in 1965 and proceeded to put hundreds of round of 16ga trap loads and 16ga magnum 5's for pheasants and ducks until I went in the service. Never knew Damascus was dangerous or there were such things a short chambers.


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Damascus guns are more dangerous than vintage fluid steel ones? No more so if in good condition, still in proof, and you shoot loads they were proved for.

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A couple of these are ML's but the others all shoot low pressure smokeless. Last year's photo so some have moved on, others added.

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Originally Posted by JBLondon
Damascus guns are more dangerous than vintage fluid steel ones? No more so if in good condition, still in proof, and you shoot loads they were proved for.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

A couple of these are ML's but the others all shoot low pressure smokeless. Last year's photo so some have moved on, others added.

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