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Yes, the Bührings purchased the Eduard Kettner concern. Robert Freidrich Bühring led the charge followed by Karl Georg & Dr. Klaus Bühring.


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Too, Andreas Kloster was involved in the Clever concern followed by Wilhelm Hommelsheim. A factory indeed in in Porz-Urbach as well as a Zweigniederlassung in Danzig.

Seems Wilhelm Hommelsheim was @ the helm of the concern Engelbrecht Clever, Nachfolger.


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So, Wilhelm Hommelsheim had the reins of the compagnie whilst the name >>Engelbrecht Clever, Nachfolger<< was roll stamped on the top of the tubes:

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In 1903 Wilhelm Hommelsheim, owner of the company Engelbert Clever Nachf. had to file for bankruptcy.

http://www.hunting-heritage.com/BoersenZtg-1903-02.jpg

http://www.hunting-heritage.com/BoersenZtg-1903-001.jpg


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Fantastic. Was he on his own or was he an employee of Kettner or other?


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Raimey, ist it possible, this was the chance for Kettner to buy it?

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It could have been an opportune time but Andreas Kloster was in there somewhere. I wasn't sure if Wilhelm Hommelsheim was an employee of the Eduard Kettner compagnie or not.


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But he was the "Inhaber" Eigentümer...!?

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Not sure, but possibly Egnelbert Clever obtained the business from Wilhelm Hommelsheim?? Then circa 1897 Clever hitched his harness to the Clever & Kettner concern? Then in 1912 Eduard Kettner absorbed the Engelbrecht Clever Nachfolger company in 1912??? Yet to be sorted.....


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I would be very interested to know when Engelbrecht Clever Nachfolger ceased selling guns, it would help me date mine which hasn’t been possible for me? I have 2 of them with serial numbers 10 digits apart. With the Belgium markings( bore and choke notation style) they were thought to be 1910-1923 also both have 70mm original chambers, marked so on barrels? Obviously I will keep digging and let everyone know if I find, but you guys are much better than I at this.

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