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Originally Posted by Buzz
3/4 Oz shot is 3/4 Oz of shot, eh??

Yep............ until ignition. Then, setback takes it's toll. And the toll, misshapen shot, is a lot higher in a .410 bore than in a .550 bore. Most people who have patterned a lot know how much harder it is to get really nice patterns out of magnum .410 loads. I had to go to hard, nickel plated shot to get 3/4 oz. .410 patterns that come close to equaling hard unplated shot patterns out of a 28.


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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
Dickinson .410, W-W 3/4 oz. 8 1/2s, Saturday morning early ............... beautiful 55 degree @ sunrise morning

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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
Originally Posted by Buzz
3/4 Oz shot is 3/4 Oz of shot, eh??

Yep............ until ignition. Then, setback takes it's toll. And the toll, misshapen shot, is a lot higher in a .410 bore than in a .550 bore. Most people who have patterned a lot know how much harder it is to get really nice patterns out of magnum .410 loads. I had to go to hard, nickel plated shot to get 3/4 oz. .410 patterns that come close to equaling hard unplated shot patterns out of a 28.


Sounds like the logical progression would be 1500 fps loads of # 10 TSS shot in a very lightly choked 3" .410 bore at about $3.00 per pop at a dove....

...or just using a 20 gauge, or even a 12 gauge with # 8 lead promo loads.


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Originally Posted by keith
Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
Originally Posted by Buzz
3/4 Oz shot is 3/4 Oz of shot, eh??

Yep............ until ignition. Then, setback takes it's toll. And the toll, misshapen shot, is a lot higher in a .410 bore than in a .550 bore. Most people who have patterned a lot know how much harder it is to get really nice patterns out of magnum .410 loads. I had to go to hard, nickel plated shot to get 3/4 oz. .410 patterns that come close to equaling hard unplated shot patterns out of a 28.


Sounds like the logical progression would be 1500 fps loads of # 10 TSS shot in a very lightly choked 3" .410 bore at about $3.00 per pop at a dove....

That would be a "progression" of some kind, I suppose. But, logical? Nah ...........


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On YouTube under Casa Rizzini , Carlo Rizzini who is based in Ireland has set out an interesting comparison of 22 different .410 factory loads he had to hand.

He pattern tested them at 25 meters (about 27.5 yards) on to a plate with a 50 centimetre (20 inch ) circle for the killing area.

He sensibly scored them by pattern percentage, with uplifts for velocity and killing power.

Whilst it would have no doubt have been more scientific (if more tedious) to average the pellet counts over a series of 5 rounds, and his judgement on killing power was necessarily subjective, the videos make interesting and entertaining viewing.

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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
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3/4 Oz shot is 3/4 Oz of shot, eh??

Yep............ until ignition. Then, setback takes it's toll. And the toll, misshapen shot, is a lot higher in a .410 bore than in a .550 bore. Most people who have patterned a lot know how much harder it is to get really nice patterns out of magnum .410 loads. I had to go to hard, nickel plated shot to get 3/4 oz. .410 patterns that come close to equaling hard unplated shot patterns out of a 28.


Sounds like the logical progression would be 1500 fps loads of # 10 TSS shot in a very lightly choked 3" .410 bore at about $3.00 per pop at a dove....

That would be a "progression" of some kind, I suppose. But, logical? Nah ...........

That's kinda what I was thinking about intentionally handicapping yourself by choosing a .410 bore, and then spending extra money for premium nickel plated loads to overcome the handicap induced by the much longer shot column.

Just an observation. I don't really care what anyone shoots to take their game. As long ss they don't shoot themselves in the foot by supporting anti-gun Democrats. But honestly, I never thought much of black powder shooters who use scope sighted inlines that utilize 209 primers. I do think it would be a real accomplishment to take a limit of doves with a smallbore SxS flintlock.


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Birds are everywhere. No shooting for me yet.

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Opening and second day I used a .410. 2 1/2” 1/2 ounce #8 then 7’s. Winchester Model 42 full choke. Early birds are fairly easy but after two days of pounding they can get much wiser. I do limit my range to not wound birds unnecessarily but will use that #7 load if needed to anchor a cripple. Opening day was 15/21, day two was 15/27. I was on the end station where birds were climbing to go over the tree tops so closest bird was about 18 yards with most 22-25 yards. Best thing this year was breaking in a new lab. She was a joy to watch and recovered 100% of my birds.

I have tried 3” shells but found few which patterned well with enough velocity to be a longer range .410 option. Stan has the right plan with plated shot I think. I use the standard 1/2 ounce mag 8&7’s at 1300 FPS or a bit more. Too much faster and I get blown patterns. Perhaps with slightly different chokes you might find a sweet spot.

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The nickel plated shot cost me $38.99/10# bag when I bought it. That's $3.90/lb. There are twenty-two 3/4 oz. loads in a pound (remember, mine are a bit under 3/4 oz./ea.). That's 18 cents per round for shot. Add in the primer, powder and shot cup with the numbers you want. Still a heckuva deal for what I'm getting, compared to factory .410 loads, and even some 20 and 12 ga. loads. I didn't figure in shipping because when you order flats of factory shells you pay shipping for them, too.

Far cry from "$3.00 a pop". (Exaggeration is a tool that can be used well, but the use of which requires a subtle hand.)


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