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I've never shot registured skeet, though I've shot it often. I was always shooting registured trap. Skeet shooters had a reputation for being kind of snooty, a trapshooter would talk to anybody. You're sure right about one thing. You can sell just about any sort of shooting gee gaw to a trapshooter.

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I've shot American skeet, International skeet, ATA trap, sporting clays, pigeons, you name it, for fun and for money, but I never heard of that "flair" stuff. What is that?

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Bill, I think they're talking about the eccentricities of some serious trap (and skeet) shooters, the tendency to think another gadget, or a special shirt, or lucky pair of shoes or hat, will really get another target or two. The long, strained, eccentric pre-shot routines.

My bunch of buddies are 180 degrees the opposite of that. We rag each other, saying anything we can to get in the others' heads and get them to drop a bird, or two. We hope for a rabbit target that takes a big hop, and rag the shooter in the box if he gets one or two. We will ask each other things like "Did you put a new bead on your rib?", just as he gets ready to say "Pull!". Or, if the shooter in the box runs the first three pair we will sometimes casually comment "You know, nobody on the squad has missed one here ............yet". All these kinds of things are exactly opposite of the flair the poster was referring to, if I understood him correctly.


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I shoot skeet low gun, safety on the same way I do it in the field. I do this to try to cut down on that look the dogs give you over their shoulder when they've stuck a bird and held it until you get there , and on the flush you do everything wrong and the bird keeps going. Those of you that have dogs know the look. I will never be as good as I should, I think too much, but I'm lots better and more consistent in the field than I was before I started. Before pheasant season starts the small group I shoot with agree once your loaded gun is closed you can throw any bird or birds at any time from that moment until they get tired of standing there. Most of us shoot better that way because we pay more attention and focus better. The purpose of the exercise.

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keep it simple...shoot skeet with your grouse guns and enjoy the warm up...


the selling season is here...selective consignments accepted...pm for terms...
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I also first shot skeet overseas. Rod & Gun Club, US Navy base. Kenitra, Morocco. I'd been shooting trap to that point and found skeet more to my taste. I still shoot a lot of skeet, but like Le Fusil, with my hunting guns. Haven't shot a straight recently, but a bunch of 24's with a 6 pound Parker VH 16ga (0 frame gun) and a 6 pound SKB 20ga. The way to shoot station 8 is as a going away target. Call for the high house bird while facing the low house and vice versa. Or, if you pivot away from other members of the squad, pivot and take those two targets going away.

Skeet really took off prior to WWII. All the makers of American sxs made skeet versions of their guns. Back then, it was shot mainly with sxs and pumps. There's a poster in the men's restroom at one club where I shoot. Advertises the Winchester Model 21, with which a shooter had then set the world's record: 229 birds straight. As noted above, that's back when you called for the bird from the low gun position. Back when I lived in Iowa, we used to hold a shoot every year at about this time to benefit the Ruffed Grouse Society. Two rounds of skeet. One standard rules. The other low gun and with a variable delay of up to 3 seconds. It was funny to watch the "grooved" skeet shooters on Station 8. They'd get very twitchy.

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It would be very interesting to know the scoop as to how Ithaca was able to introduce their "Skeet Special" in July 1926, just 2 months after "Skeet" was named in the May "National Sportsman". Were they tipped off by William Harnden Foster, and why not Parker Bros.?

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The cover of the August 1926 "National Sportsman" by Foster was “the first painting ever published of a scene in the new sport of Skeet” and possibly depicted his son using Foster Sr.’s 20 gauge Parker DHE with 27-inch barrels

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The L.C. Smith “Skeet Upland Special” appeared in "Hunting and Fishing" in June 1928, almost 2 years later

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In the 1929 Hunter Arms Co. catalog, the word “upland” was gone and the Skeet Special grade was shown with a straight grip stock, checkered wood butt, “Skeet Choke No. 1 right and No. 2 left,” and “Streamline Beaver Tail Forend.” Basically, it was an Ideal grade with London Steel barrels, upgraded wood, and with the skeet logo engraved on the lockplate

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The Winchester Model 21 went into production in 1929, but was not listed on the Winchester price list until 1931. In 1933, the Model 21 Skeet Gun was introduced in Standard, Tournament, and Trap grades.
In 1932, a Parker advertising brochure showed a Special Skeet Gun with “skeet-in/skeet-out” chokes, 26 inch barrels, automatic ejectors, single trigger, straight stock, and beavertail forend. However, Parker factory production records have identified guns as early as 1929 as having “skeet-in/skeet-out” chokes.
The A.H. Fox Skeeter was introduced in 1931 and the Sterlingworth Skeet and Upland in 1935, with automatic ejectors, Fox-Kautzky selective single trigger, beavertail forend, recoil pad, and ivory beads.
The Iver Johnson Arms & Cycle Works Skeet-er appeared in 1933, and the Ithaca Lefever Grade A Skeet Model with automatic ejectors, straight stock, beavertail forend, and skeet chokes followed in 1934.

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Why did it take Ithaca from 1926 until 1934 to figure out that Full/Mod choking did not a skeet gun make?


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I shoot skeet with full or mod chokes all the time, when i miss it is usually by feet and the chokes at those ranges give me inches. I would rather have fun with a neat gun than run 25 with a target gun, not that I run many 25's either way. I am a pretty consistent 18-22 most days, but my guns look great.

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Skeet shooters had a reputation for being kind of snooty, a trapshooter would talk to anybody.

That sounds absolutely backwards.

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