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I guess the originality of the rib doesn't make much difference on a sleeved gun. My best guess is that the original rib was replaced . Possible reasons are the sleeved barrels are longer than the original, or that the original rib did not have the correct contours to fit the sleeved gun barrels. A check of the rib at the muzzle would shed some light. If the original integral keel is in place, that might answer the question.

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Originally Posted by Nudge
This is a tough one.

As Tom said, Lefever would certainly have accomodated someone wanting a non-standard rib. I must say, I have never seen an E grade with the rib engraved. Given the style of it though, Im inclined to think that feature is original. So that part doesnt give me pause.

More importanly...I think this gun has been superbly restored.

The colors are nicely muted, and would otherwise be believable as original, if the wood appeared untouched. But it doesn't. The key is the underside, where the stock meets the frame...always a tough spot. You wouldn't simultaneously have that wear, while also having perfect checkering.

IMO, this gun was very, very experly redone. Best guess is Brad Bachelder, mainly because of the colors.

The seller's price reflects an older restoration. If this was original...to me at least...it's a $4000-5000 gun.

Would make a lovely club shooter and conversation piece as it is.

NDG

Briley did the sleeve job, so I think they may have redone the wood, but it is such a good job it makes you wonder if another wood specialist did it. I don't believe the frame has been re-colored but is original finish with a nice patina on the bottom and quite a bit of remaining faded case colors on top and sides. Whatever the case may be, it is a very nice piece worthy of field and range.
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One thing for sure Bother John....

You could never hope to save a Lefever from the dead at the price he is asking. The sleeving job alone would cost as much or more than the asking price.

Looks like a pretty good deal as a shooter.

I got one question for you Brother John....you sure like to promote Barnetts guns on this site. Numerous times you have done this....are you getting paid by Barnett or just favors ?

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Originally Posted by John Roberts
Originally Posted by Nudge
This is a tough one.

As Tom said, Lefever would certainly have accomodated someone wanting a non-standard rib. I must say, I have never seen an E grade with the rib engraved. Given the style of it though, Im inclined to think that feature is original. So that part doesnt give me pause.

More importanly...I think this gun has been superbly restored.

The colors are nicely muted, and would otherwise be believable as original, if the wood appeared untouched. But it doesn't. The key is the underside, where the stock meets the frame...always a tough spot. You wouldn't simultaneously have that wear, while also having perfect checkering.

IMO, this gun was very, very experly redone. Best guess is Brad Bachelder, mainly because of the colors.

The seller's price reflects an older restoration. If this was original...to me at least...it's a $4000-5000 gun.

Would make a lovely club shooter and conversation piece as it is.

NDG

Briley did the sleeve job, so I think they may have redone the wood, but it is such a good job it makes you wonder if another wood specialist did it. I don't believe the frame has been re-colored but is original finish with a nice patina on the bottom and quite a bit of remaining faded case colors on top and sides. Whatever the case may be, it is a very nice piece worthy of field and range.
JR


If Briley did the wood, I’ll bet that they sent the wood to Dave Wolf in Waco. That finish definitely looks like Dave’s work. I’ve had several stocks redone by Dave. His work is very nice, a bit different from a traditional finish though. He was a big proponent of catalyzed varnish. One of his major clients was Briley for many years.

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Originally Posted by Shotgunjones
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Nice fowler. Since it is sleeved and tubed by Briley, it should be fine with steel shot. Or even tungsten, for the long second shot.

I would not assume that.
Why not SJ?? I thought being sleeved with modern steel sleeves would make it steel shot compatible. Would you mind explaining your answer? Merely curious. Also, have never owned or even seen for that matter a sleeved gun. Thanks.


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Originally Posted by Perry M. Kissam
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Originally Posted by Carl46
Nice fowler. Since it is sleeved and tubed by Briley, it should be fine with steel shot. Or even tungsten, for the long second shot.

I would not assume that.
Why not SJ?? I thought being sleeved with modern steel sleeves would make it steel shot compatible. Would you mind explaining your answer? Merely curious. Also, have never owned or even seen for that matter a sleeved gun. Thanks.

It really depends on what kind of steel was used for the sleeving tubes. After that, it comes down to wall thickness. If the sleeved tubes were struck in a way to get the barrels weight or gun to balance at a certain point, wall thickness certainly will come into consideration. The next consideration would be how the new sleeved barrels are bored. Hopefully everything was cut/machined correctly. Bore diameter within specs, chamber and forcing cones etc. Barrel interiors cut with dimensions out of spec for the gauge can cause serious issues.
If the steel used for the sleeved barrels is fairly modern and of good ordnance quality, everything was machined correctly, wall thickness are good (which 99% of the time on newly sleeved barrels the wall thickness’s are more then adequate), chokes are appropriate…..then there shouldn’t be any issues at all with using steel or modern non-tox.

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I don't think this rib was engraved by the same engraver who engraved the rest of the gun. ,the ribs cut are messy with a leaf,bud instead of the original symmetrical lines look at the cuts on the first scroll on the rib.

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ps.this is a great deal for what it is nicely redone sxs

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Agree on the Dave Wolf work.Dave fixed and finished a EE 20 bore for me 25 years ago best workmanship.Traded to Russ wonder were it ended up ?

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Originally Posted by mc
,the ribs cut are messy..
Huh? Dang nice engraving to my eye. Certainly not the typical machining, but extremely well-done scroll and border work.
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