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vam5067 #600575 07/30/21 09:12 PM
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N. Jacquet 9 is stamped on the inside of the lockplate: https://ibb.co/xm9pY7P

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Is this the flat you're looking for: https://ibb.co/qpsvmFt

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That's the water-table.

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Just doesn't get any better than that on the locks.

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So there's what looks like an AD smashed together with a asterisk over it. Could that stand for Dieudonné Ancion?

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They appear to be chopper lump barrels. A good quality gun.

I The tube numbers are probably sequential 35785-6. Did Whiworth number their tubes when applying their sheaf mark or did the agent or importer number them?

I do not think that there was a patent use mark for Whitworth Fluid Pressed Steel but I stand open to be corrected?

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The AD is very likely an inspector's mark rather than a maker's mark.
Yes, Whitworth did number their tubes.
Littlegun does not list a N. Jacquet gun maker so he was likely the lock maker.

Odd for a gun of this quality to have no clear indication of the maker.
Littlegun states that Charles did not take over Masquelier Freres until 1925.
It is possible the gun was made for a dealer by Charles, but for some reason never marked by the dealer, which was usually on the rib.

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Without doing a bit of re-reading, Whitworth tubes left the foundry as chopperlump, and Kilby one of the few sources for tubesets/tubes? I would speculate Kilby applied the marks as a few examples wear another language than English. Some tubesets have a single number whilst others like the subject double have sequential. I have pondered if the numbers were APUNS. Last, there was a worker strike in 1897/1898 and Kilby produced Krupp steel tubesets for his clients & I think it was Purdey that after the strike offered to replace them free of charge? I'll try to find the thread.


https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...p;Words=kilby&Search=true#Post322551

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>>Purdey used Krupp steel from July 1898 till December 1898 for a total of 80 plus examples due to a strike I believe it was. Rigby used a Krupp absorbed concern(Annener Gu�stahlwerk/Annen Steel Company) as a tube steel source. After say the mid 1880s, and for sure by 1890, there probably wasn't a dime's difference between Whitworth, Krupp & Wittner steel tubes. Only way to say for certain would be to lop off a few inches and send them thru the Dr. Hause gun-barrel testing protocol<<

https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=366836&page=3

This may have been for which I was searching? I have always wanted to have a thread of the different makers(French(C Modé was it?), German(including Springer), Russian as Matka of course) & their association w/ Whitworth & Kilby. Maybe this will spark an effort.

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G. Defourny-Sevrin

Obsequio del Real Club de Espa�a de Torreon
Campeonato Tiro Pichon Torreon

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Fluid Pressed Steel Whitworth's(Trademark not present as I see?)

but a tubeset by T. Kilby Special Fine Steel, wearing Birmingham touchmarks, sourced by Springer in 1934, or something on-hand used by Springer.

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T Kilby Tubeset Nr. 30845 - NOT WHITWORTH?

A thread with the typical seen Whitworth tubes then others like the above, with Krupp tubesets by Kilby in the mix. Anyone have interest?

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Would further disassembly of the action reveal more about a potential maker?

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