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Originally Posted by Researcher
On the other end of the scale we could consider Edwin Hedderly's 32-inch 28-gauge Parker Bros. --

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Hedderly and his long barrel small-bore Parkers were probably best known to west coast readers of his articles in Western Field magazine of which he was editor in the years before The Great War.

If somebody was to look closely enough there's bound to be an O'Connor in his ancestry somewhere. Dang he resembles Jack.


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[img]https://imgur.com/8VwSJz8[/img]. 8ga Enos James 34 in bbls, Ithaca magnum10 3.5 in. , Ithaca Super10, Ithaca flues 10, AHFox wildfowl 12 3in, Win1901,Win model 21duck3in.

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I have a DT Parker 16ga originally set up with 3 inch chambers, 32 inch barrels, XF in the right pipe and F in the left.
No idea why it had the long chambers for a cartridge that was never marketed (but maybe anticipated?). But it screams special order duck gun to me.

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Keep in mind that most run of the mill 12 gauges around the turn of the century were used on ducks and still do well today, with "appropriate loads"

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Just like the 12- and 20-gauges, the 16-gauge was offered in several lengths. The "Standard" 16-gauge shell was 2 9/16 inch, but they were also offered in 2 3/4, 2 7/8 and 3-inch lengths.

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Back in the day, these longer shells didn't offer heavier loads, but more/better wadding, which many gun cranks believed important.

My canned 16-gauge history lesson --

16-Gauge History lesson --

From the late 1890s until after WW-I, the heaviest 16-gauge loads our North American ammunition companies offered were 2 3/4 drams of bulk smokeless powder or 22 grains of dense smokeless powder such as Infallible or Ballistite, pushing 1 ounce of shot. Those loads could be had in the "standard" 2 9/16 inch case or any of the longer 2 3/4, 2 7/8 or 3-inch cases. In late 1922 or early 1923, Western Cartridge Co. added the 16-gauge to their progressive burning powder, high velocity loads called Super-X, but unlike the 1 1/4 ounce 12-gauge and 1 ounce 20-gauge Super-X loads which were put up in Western's 2 3/4 inch FIELD shells, the 1 1/8 ounce 16-gauge Super-X load was put up in their 2 9/16 inch FIELD shell. When the Lubaloy shot Super-X loads were introduced in July 1929, they were put up in Western's high brass RECORD shell, but the 16-gauge still in a 2 9/16 inch length case. The other ammunition companies followed suit, Peters' High Velocity and Remington's Nitro Express 16-gauge loads were put up in 2 9/16 cases.

The 2 3/4 inch 16-gauge shell really began to get some traction when Remington Arms Co., Inc. introduced their Model 11 and "Sportsman" autoloaders in 16-gauge in 1931, chambered for 2 3/4 inch shells. While Remington's regular Nitro Express 16-gauge progressive burning powder load was put up in a 2 9/16 inch hull with a load of 3 drams equiv. pushing 1 1/8 ounce of shot, for their new 16-gauge autoloaders they introduced the slightly faster Auto-Express with a 3 1/4 drams equiv. charge pushing 1 1/8 ounce of shot --

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I'm thin on Winchester ammo catalogues, but for sure by 1934, they were offering a similar 2 3/4 inch 16-gauge load.

The 2 3/4 inch Magnum shells with 1 1/2 ounce in 12-gauge, 1 1/4 ounce in 16-gauge and 1 1/8 ounce in 20-gauge first appear in the December 15, 1954, Western Cartridge Co. catalogues.

Western Cartridge Co. added a 2 3/4 inch 16-gauge to their Super-X offerings for 1938. From 1938 through 1942 they called this 16-gauge 2 3/4 inch Super-X shell "Magnum", even though it was still a 1 1/8 ounce payload. By Western Cartridge Co.'s March 7, 1946, catalogue the term "Magnum" was gone from this 2 3/4 inch 16-gauge Super-X shell. In Western's January 2, 1947, catalogue, the 2 9/16 inch 16-gauge Super-X shell was gone from both the chilled shot and the Lubaloy offerings, and their only 2 9/16 inch shells being offered were Xpert. This may have been an oversight, as the 2 9/16 inch 16-gauge Super-X shell with chilled shot is back in Western Cartridge Co.'s April 8, 1948, catalogue and price list, and the 2 9/16 inch 16-gauge Super-X loads remained until their last appearance on Western Cartridge Co.'s January 2, 1962, catalogue and price lists, where it is "available until stocks depleted." By Western Cartridge Co.’s January 2, 1963, catalogue and price lists the new Mark 5 was introduced and all the 16-gauge Super-X offerings are 2 3/4 inch. By the January 2, 1964, Western Cartridge Co. catalogue and price list the 16-gauge 2 9/16 inch Xpert shell is gone as well.

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As an update to this thread, I just acquired a 32" VH Parker #3 frame 12 gauge with a beaver tail for-end. Will post pics when I get the gun!

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luv dim ole ammo boxes...


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Originally Posted by ar15meister
As an update to this thread, I just acquired a 32" VH Parker #3 frame 12 gauge with a beaver tail for-end. Will post pics when I get the gun!


Haha. It was only a matter of time, Adam.


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A little bigger than the Askins/Keith Magnum-10 NID, at the NRA Convention in Reno in 1987, the Southern California Arms Collectors display included a Charles Edward Sneider, 214 W. Pratt Street, Baltimore, Maryland, hammerless double in 4-gauge with 38-inch barrels which was said to weigh 28 1/2 pounds.

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Originally Posted by Researcher
A little bigger than the Askins/Keith Magnum-10 NID, at the NRA Convention in Reno in 1987, the Southern California Arms Collectors display included a Charles Edward Sneider, 214 W. Pratt Street, Baltimore, Maryland, hammerless double in 4-gauge with 38-inch barrels which was said to weigh 28 1/2 pounds.
Punt gun.
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